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The New Right-Wing Tech Intelligentsia

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Re: The New Right-Wing Tech Intelligentsia

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Here’s an idea. What if instead of left/right wing, you’d sort ideas into useful and useless buckets, given that the context of these labels will change depending on your use case. X is useful for Y, but useless for Z. Ideally, you are tooling around with pro-social ideas for your governance or societal organization frameworks, which is a necessity if you’re optimizing for freedom, morality or ethics. Sadly, in lieu…

Are racism, misogyny, and superstition useful or useless? Now one could argue that those things are not right or left wing. There is no epistemology for what any given ideology -- political or religious -- consists of. An apologist can simply deny that "negative" things are part of their ideology.

> Are racism, misogyny, and superstition useful or useless?

Someone can just call you racist, misogynist, or whatever. Those labels don’t mean anything anymore because they’re used as weapons to shut down anyone who is ideologically opposed to you. Are some people racist or misogynistic, yes. But when you use these labels carelessly for anyone who says something you don’t like, you pave the way for actual racists and misogynists because they can call you unreasonable, inaccurate or unreliable.

And what is an apologist, exactly? If you’re unable to come up with a different way to look at something, that doesn’t make someone else who looks at the same thing in a different way an apologist. These are just political smears of the incurious or browbeaters.

Just because the leftists happen to align themselves with pro-social values that I prefer, like anti-racism or anti-misogyny, doesn’t mean they’re right about everything.

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Not sure about usefulness as the metric. How do you account for populations that will be harmed by a policy? “Not useful” doesn’t really capture it. I usually think of policies as “who gets what, who loses what”, and form my opinion around those outcomes.

I don’t think we need zero-sum framing for a lot of the things we talk about, and the fact that we do is the result of politics, not the policies per se.

I don’t think my system is zero sum! Acknowledging that some population will be harmed is not saying it’s equal and opposite to the benefits. Medicare for all is useful to many, many people. But it does have downsides to some populations: the ownership class loses some amount of power and control, wealthy people with excellent private healthcare are likely to have worse outcomes, the healthcare insurance industry would likely be decimated.

I don’t consider that zero-sum, the benefits far, far outweigh the downsides to me.

These are the practical impacts of implementing a policy. I do not believe in some technocratic ideal where we can logic our way out of resource distribution causing some people to lose things.

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There's no such thing as "society" except for societal arrangement. And societies of any decent size for the past several thousand years have arranged for governments who decide all sorts of things. Why would state aid be decided by a few "power-crazed" career bureaucrats in representative democracies? This sounds like a libertarian screed against the state doing anything but the minimal.

Because career bureaucrats are the only way of running a large organizational arrangement that can even reach a semblance of "deciding all sorts of things". A few hundred representatives can't go at it alone. You get career bureaucrats in private enterprise too, of course, but the idea is that they should at least be kept on a short leash to whatever extent is feasible. That fails completely when you're dealing with…

Corporations have way worse track records than countries, tho.

Compare colonies run by countries to colonies run by corporations for one example.

The difference is that in corporations you don't get to vote on who is the CEO.

And your country can't usually remove your citizenship without a REALLY good reason.

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Did you take a look at her bank account? It seems like she's not even a millionaire yet. Some reports are putting her net worth at $49,000 or $125,000.

Where are the non-mammon mouthpieces in congress? Your focus feels way too narrow to take a reasonable conclusion from.

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Did you take a look at her bank account? It seems like she's not even a millionaire yet. Some reports are putting her net worth at $49,000 or $125,000. Where are the non-mammon mouthpieces in congress? Your focus feels way too narrow to take a reasonable conclusion from.

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Did you take a look at her bank account? It seems like she's not even a millionaire yet. Some reports are putting her net worth at $49,000 or $125,000. Where are the non-mammon mouthpieces in congress? Your focus feels way too narrow to take a reasonable conclusion from.

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It's a hell of lot better than your estimate of "look at her bank account".

Here's something a little more substantiated. In February 2025 she claimed her wealth is under a half million.

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1887197530573717552

Happy to look at evidence to the contrary.

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It's a hell of lot better than your estimate of "look at her bank account". Here's something a little more substantiated. In February 2025 she claimed her wealth is under a half million. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1887197530573717552 Happy to look at evidence to the contrary.

Take a look at her campaign donations, where she flies, how often, where she stays, which restaurants she attends and everything else involved.

It’s millions and millions. She did a good job of keeping her husband out of the spotlight.

$49 to $125k sounds like a fictitious “we don’t know” number. It’s amusing. And politicians will lie directly to you.

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I don’t think we need zero-sum framing for a lot of the things we talk about, and the fact that we do is the result of politics, not the policies per se.

I don’t think my system is zero sum! Acknowledging that some population will be harmed is not saying it’s equal and opposite to the benefits. Medicare for all is useful to many, many people. But it does have downsides to some populations: the ownership class loses some amount of power and control, wealthy people with excellent private healthcare are likely to have worse outcomes, the healthcare insurance industry wou…

How does the ownership class lose benefits under Medicare for All (MFA)? What does ownership class mean? Let’s compare China and U.S., the former has near universal healthcare, but also an unemployment rate of 20%. The U.S. spends more on Medicare than it does for Defense, and the bulk of that money goes to the healthcare industry in all its forms. They don’t touch the healthcare industry function because it’s the largest employment sector in the U.S., and comparably robust for employment even during periods of economic downturn, see the current 4.6% unemployment rate. If we did get MFA in the U.S., you can expect job cuts in the healthcare industry. So the U.S. gets by with paying for Medicare and Defense, and the balance to this is state-based healthcare, and something like ACA subsidies, while ensuring a relatively low unemployment rate.

I also don’t understand how in your example MFA results in lesser healthcare for wealthy people, that hasn’t been the case in any country with universal healthcare programs.

Let’s also examine the geopolitical angle in all this. The U.S. healthcare system is increasingly made a political issue as a way to induce societal pressure to reduce defense spending, and allocate it elsewhere. I am not taking any stance on this, but this point is often ignored for any number of reasons.

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> For the untainted, effective altruism (EA) is a very online social movement popular in tech circles, which was originally concerned with how to get rich philanthropists to donate to the most “effective” charities Man this really makes me mad. Why do people love to hate on EA so much? Why is effectiveness a bad things? Is the author really advocating giving money to random charities? Or do they prefer no giving at a…

Effectiveness is to EA what Democracy is to the DPRK. Just part of the name. Amazing how many people get bamboozled by such a simple word trick though.

> Amazing how many people get bamboozled by such a simple word trick though.

That's what makes me uneasy about (the little I know of) EA.

Altruism can and does stand alone as a simple human concept (or meme, expressed in English). 'Effective' has got nothing to do with it. On its own, altruism is binary. You either give a thought to the well-being of your fellow man, or you don't. You either concern yourself with the world, or stay as self-centered as you were when you were screaming for attention from the center of your crib.

Adding the word 'effective' is a dilution and distraction from the original bit, and transforms it into a kind of creeping featurism. It invites analysis paralysis. It exhibits premature optimization.

Start by expending a little bit of spiritual energy towards actually becoming altruistic, then we can maybe graduate to an advanced degree in pursuit of effectiveness.

Because a cynical (experienced) person might suspect that the stipulated quest for effectiveness is a semi-conscious avoidance, a delaying tactic meant to push away the pain of subsuming the Self in favor of (undeserving? incoherent? ineffective?) Other.

Harsh thought, yeah, but you'd be amazed what human beings will do to avoid actual spiritual growth.

It seems to me to be a worthy goal for a human, to be altruistic. Like becoming mindful or developing empathy or meditating on the meaning of life. The pain of being ineffective is the baptism of fire. As soon as you consider the needs of others, you realize how powerless you are, in the face of all that need out there. But still you stretch for the goal.

What if I told you that the best and most proven way to effectuate some altruistic goal was to get down on your knees and pray?

No?

Alright, then, how about I send you to Pema Chödrön[0] and invite you to become a bhodisatva, contemplating all beings and sending them love and well-wishes through simple meditative practice?

Believe it or not, both of those practices can be very effective, but their effect will be on you, as you leave the crib behind and expand and extend your ability to consider the well-being of others.

Don't worry about being effective. Just be altruistic. Anybody who invites you to be effective first is just diverting you away from your altruism.

[0] https://www.shambhala.com/pema-chodron/

Re: The New Right-Wing Tech Intelligentsia

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It's a hell of lot better than your estimate of "look at her bank account". Here's something a little more substantiated. In February 2025 she claimed her wealth is under a half million. https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1887197530573717552 Happy to look at evidence to the contrary.

Take a look at her campaign donations, where she flies, how often, where she stays, which restaurants she attends and everything else involved. It’s millions and millions. She did a good job of keeping her husband out of the spotlight. $49 to $125k sounds like a fictitious “we don’t know” number. It’s amusing. And politicians will lie directly to you.

We are shifting the goalposts here. Campaign donations are not her bank account.

Who is going to "take it away" in this scenario? We're not talking about a 'tax the rich' scenario anymore. I don't think she needs to be worried about congressional finance reforms because they write their own laws.

Sometimes politicians will directly tell the truth to you. I'm not evaluating that though. I'm looking for evidence to the contrary, which would be real estimates above the amount she stated, but the only one out there is the absurd $29 million that can't be reached even if you add up her whole career's worth of political donations.

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