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Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Post by nsmartt »

petepete wrote: post #56
nsmartt wrote: post #19

If Firefox had a GUI that didn't rely on the window manager's decorations (a la chrome), I would switch in a heartbeat. As it stands, using Firefox on Linux (Openbox) feels like a huge step back from Chrome.

Sorry, am I missing something - Why use Openbox if you don't like the window decorations?

I don't like the window decorations of most window managers. Openbox allows users to set keyboard shortcuts, customize a menu that's always a couple of keystrokes away, and the window decorations can be customized as well. It's worth tolerating, but I spend a lot of time in my browser. I've been spoiled by Chrome, and now I don't want to switch away.

That said, there are a couple of other things that keep me on Chrome such as its element inspector.

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Post by nsmartt »

oftenwrong wrote: post #28
nsmartt wrote: post #19

If Firefox had a GUI that didn't rely on the window manager's decorations (a la chrome), I would switch in a heartbeat. As it stands, using Firefox on Linux (Openbox) feels like a huge step back from Chrome.

In what way does it rely on the WM's decorations?

I misspoke. Most programs use system decorations, but I do prefer the way Chrome has an option to use its own alternative.

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Post by ch0wn »

cicloid wrote: post #37
ch0wn wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mostly because of Chrome's feature creep. I think I'm actually quite sensitive to that, but haven't felt about Chrome that way yet. Could you explain what features you mean in particular?

Besides the reply to your comment. Anecdotally I could tell you that some months ago, Chrome felt much faster at loading. And I'm talking about barebones Chrome. Sometimes using extensions or activating/deactivating some flags can hinder/improve the performance. The only thing that keeps me here, is the extensions not available on Safari (my other favorite webkit browser). But overall it seems more slow on launch (ev…

Interesting. I can't really tell how fast Chrome starts up, because it's starts in the background when my desktop environment loads and I'm on an SSD. But that would in fact be a good indicator for bloat.

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Post by jvm »

azakai wrote: post #69
jvm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't WebSQL supposed to be replaced by IndexedDB?(which FF has btw)

Yes. Google hasn't removed it yet though (apparently some Google properties use it, so there is a conflict of interest here with web standards).

Of course, web standards don't oblige browsers to not have features that aren't in the standard (it would be a harsh world if they did!).

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Post by sumone4life »

st3fan wrote: post #26
sumone4life wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Made the switch today because of this, and a few other features and improvements since I last used firefox.

What improvements did you like most?

The developer toolbar mostly. I do a good amount of web dev so its helpful. Taking pdf screenshots with a single command has come in handy. Also the 3D view is gimmicky but pretty awesome. Tab groups is another favorite.

There still seems to be some sort of memory leakage though. I have to shut down the browser every so often to clear out the 3GB of ram it suddenly decided it needed to have.

Re: Firefox debuts new developer toolbar

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Post by qoo »

Tried the CSS inspector in Aurora. As of today, there is still no keyboard nudge support (Click on the value of a CSS rule and then press keyboard up / down keys to adjust it +1 / -1).

Sticking with Firebug until this feature is added.

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