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Apple owns ios, Apple owns the iPhone. It would make sense that those factions within Apple would still be involved even if the AppStore people are not.
"Apple owns the iPhone". That's quite a statement.
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"Apple owns the iPhone". That's quite a statement.
There are clearly Apple employees whose job is to build the iPhone product and ones who market it to consumers. It is not a contenstable statement.
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"Apple owns the iPhone". That's quite a statement.
There are clearly Apple employees whose job is to build the iPhone product and ones who market it to consumers. It is not a contenstable statement.
When you buy a table from IKEA, IKEA doesn't own it, and has no right to tell you which food you're allowed to eat on it.
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Even with the fix that's still not really accurate - though it's a widespread misconception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive
No, it's now entirely accurate. Nothing in the GDPR requires 'cookie banners', and your Wikipedia link doesn't 'dispell' that 'misconception', but nice try...
The cookie banner requirement is itself a widespread misconception because the actual rule is neither specific to cookies (it would also cover other locally stored data) nor universal (for example it doesn't require specific consent for locally storing necessary data like session/login mechanics or the contents of a shopping basket).
The requirements for consent that do exist originate in the ePrivacy Directive. That directive was supposed to be superseded by a later ePrivacy Regulation that would have been lex specialis to the GDPR - possibly the only actual link between any of the EU law around cookies and the GDPR - but in the end that regulation was never passed and it was formally abandoned earlier this year.
So for now rules about user consent for local data storage in the EU - and largely still in the UK - do exist but they derive from the ePrivacy Directive and they are widely misunderstood. And while there has been a lot of talk about changes to EU law that might improve the situation with the banners so far talk is all it has been.
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Even with the fix that's still not really accurate - though it's a widespread misconception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPrivacy_Directive
ePrivacy Directive doesn't require those obnoxious banners either
It certainly does require informed consent in other situations though and the dreaded cookie banners were the industry's attempt to interpret that legal requirement.
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No it’s the same for every marketplace. Profits accrue to a few. Look at YouTube, books, artist on Spotify etc. Software has near 0 marginal costs unless you are dependent on a third party server side AI models (instead of on device models) or other API vendors. 15% (if you are making less than 1 million) is not the reason you aren’t making money on the App Store. That sane person wouldn’t be making money on the web…
> No it’s the same for every marketplace. Profits accrue to a few. Look at YouTube, books, artist on Spotify etc. Many of those are things where the value of a single user is very low and then you need a significant audience just to earn an ordinary salary. > Software has near 0 marginal costs But it has significant development costs, and the fact that you're required to use Apple's store makes them even higher, beca…
We have an existence proof. In the US, any developer has been able to link out to their own payment scheme for awhile now without paying Apple a dime. That hasn’t solved a single problem for indie developers. It’s not the 15% cut - the same that every other marketplace has
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Apple can not charge for external links In the US . I am saying that if the indie devs didn’t have go pay Apple a dime, it wouldn’t matter. You still aren’t going to stand out and monetize compared to companies selling loot boxes and coins that make up 90% of App Store revenue. You will still have the same discovery problem, people’s unwillingness to pay money for apps on the App Store aside from games and the same r…
> Apple can not charge for external links In the US. 1. Yes. Yes it can. 2. This was literally my first question you keep dancing around: "Why can't those services show a link in their app to their page without Apple claiming it's owed 27% of the sale?" > You still aren’t going to stand out and monetize What does this have to do with my question? Literally nothing. But we've been at this twice already, and I am not i…
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#78I'll go a step farther. iOS is the only mobile OS that restricts PWA's and I think they do it on purpose to force you out of PWAs and into native apps. I think Apple should 100% support PWAs with no shenanigans, they should work 100% without Apple needing to approve of anything too. Steve Jobs pitched PWAs way back when, I don't know why all we've gotten is a half-baked solution from Apple other than they want you in…
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#79I'll go a step farther. iOS is the only mobile OS that restricts PWA's and I think they do it on purpose to force you out of PWAs and into native apps. I think Apple should 100% support PWAs with no shenanigans, they should work 100% without Apple needing to approve of anything too. Steve Jobs pitched PWAs way back when, I don't know why all we've gotten is a half-baked solution from Apple other than they want you in…
They figured out that the App Store made them more money than PWAs do, that's why
Re: Devs say Apple still flouting EU's Digital Markets Act six months on
#80I'll go a step farther. iOS is the only mobile OS that restricts PWA's and I think they do it on purpose to force you out of PWAs and into native apps. I think Apple should 100% support PWAs with no shenanigans, they should work 100% without Apple needing to approve of anything too. Steve Jobs pitched PWAs way back when, I don't know why all we've gotten is a half-baked solution from Apple other than they want you in…
What specific aspects of PWAs are still not supported on iOS these days? I know that Apple made some huge advances in that within the past couple of years, but I...generally don't want PWAs myself, so I haven't paid very close attention. If you don't use Apple devices, and thus also don't pay very close attention, you might check and verify whether what you expect to be true still is.