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Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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post #65

> we must fight back to protect the internet that we know and love. This is not compelling. The internet I know and love has been dying for a long time for unrelated reasons. The new internet that is replacing that one is an internet that I very much do not love and would be totally ok to see lots of it get harder to access.

What parts and content should be "harder to access" in your view?

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would internet access in a coffee shop be traced to the specific user?

In Switzerland you are forced to receive an SMS code to your phone on every portal in every public space everywhere to establish your identity on every network. No SMS = No public wifi anywhere in Switzerland.

The reason is that the law in Switzerland requires identification of the user of free internet services [1]. So it is not just common practice

[1] https://www.gva.ch/Site/Passagers/Shopping/Services/Business...

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

#75
Infuriating that we get all the bad sides of digital ID without the good sides.

It's deanonymizing and intrusive and mandatory for sites to implement without protecting them from sockpuppets and foreign troll farms.

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

#76

Why they don't use zero knowledge proof? Also question for the USA constitution experts, is this considered a violation of free speech? The article is not clear on this.

Onlyfans is legal prostitution so we need to protect that. Better to regulate the entire internet with taking your rights than question why it's allowed.

> Onlyfans is legal prostitution

No, its legal (in some jurisdictions) pornography. Prostitution on the platform, as well as whatever the legal status is in the set of jurisdictions involved, is also, from what I understand, explicitly against the platform ToS.

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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post #65

> we must fight back to protect the internet that we know and love. This is not compelling. The internet I know and love has been dying for a long time for unrelated reasons. The new internet that is replacing that one is an internet that I very much do not love and would be totally ok to see lots of it get harder to access.

What parts and content should be "harder to access" in your view?

The parts where traffic generates money for the kind of people who would think putting an advertisement on a screen on someone's home refrigerator is an acceptable thing to do (morally, not legally or whatever).

Extrapolate that how you will.

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

#78

Why they don't use zero knowledge proof? Also question for the USA constitution experts, is this considered a violation of free speech? The article is not clear on this.

> Why they don't use zero knowledge proof?

Some proposed implementation do this. Without the requirement there is no chance of your ID or age being leaked, with zero knowledge proof, there is a chance they leak but can be made small, potentially arbitrarily so. Other implementations come with larger risks.

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

#79

Why they don't use zero knowledge proof? Also question for the USA constitution experts, is this considered a violation of free speech? The article is not clear on this.

"Free Speech" in the American legal sense (1st Amendment to the Constitution) applies to government prohibition on speech, with a particular emphasis on political speech.

It doesn't prevent one person from prohibiting speech... I can tell a pastor to stop preaching on my lawn. But, the government cannot tell a pastor not to preach in the publicly-owned town square (generally, there are exceptions).

There are arguments that certain online forums are effectively "town squares in the internet age" (Twitter in particular, at least pre-Musk). But, I always found that analogy to fall apart - twitter (or whatever online forum) is more like an op-ed section in a newspaper, IMO. And newspapers don't have to publish every op-ed that gets submitted.

Also, the 1st Amendment does not protect you from the consequences of your speech. I can call my boss an asshole to his face legally - and he can fire me (generally, there are labor protections and exceptions).

Re: EFF launches Age Verification Hub

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Switzerland you are forced to receive an SMS code to your phone on every portal in every public space everywhere to establish your identity on every network. No SMS = No public wifi anywhere in Switzerland.

How would an SMS code sent to a phone number be traced to the specific user? Anonymous VOIP numbers are plentiful.

I imagine they would block anonymous VOIP numbers.
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