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Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

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Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#71
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Coming from Switzerland to the US: I do not want to leave. Everything is better here… maybe not for the average person but for some individuals.

Can you give some examples?

Guns and (relatively) freedom of speech (yes I'm aware it comes with asterisk) are the two big ones. If I left the USA it would probably be to a place with weak governance on these points in practice rather than on paper. Only Yemen, Iraq, Somaliland, parts of Pakistan, parts of Rojava and maybe KRG (Kurdistan), Idlib, and Palestine are only places I know of with looser (to me better) gun laws than America and out of all those I'd only really consider Somaliland & KRG & Rojava as places where a westerner could probably settle without getting their head cut off. Freedom of speech, IDK where, hard to find anyplace with looser speech restriction than America.

However if you are willing to go with de facto rather than de jure, plenty of places in Africa and Latam can be freer on these points, especially if you have a little coin.

Financially though, places like Dubai blow away the absolutely dystopic USA controls like FATCA and world taxation/filing, KYC, AML and other madness USA uses to keep an iron grip on traditional finance channels.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#72
post #44

I love the Netherlands and have spent a few months trying it out as a place to live. It's among my favourite places: moderate weather, friendly people, a high level of personal freedom, very high rate of English speakers, clean and modern environment, good international restaurants, lively town centres even in smaller towns, most towns have rivers / canals which make them very pleasant to walk around. I could list ma…

The new limit before being taxed is around 60K (€59.357), any amount on top of that is taxed (1.44%), so it is not like you are getting robbed blind. It is only fair that those that have a lot of money contribute so that others can participate in society with equal opportunity. Also, not all assets are taxed.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#73
post #26

Went for dinner with a Parisian friend of mine. He spent a good amount of it complaining that Paris is unrecognizable from his youth. Too many Americans, everywhere!

Yikes. There are lot of black people in Paris, but they're not necessarily American. In fact, most of them are from African French colonies.

WTF? How do you get from Americans to black people?

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#75
Very weird story. I can't figure out why these people want to leave, so I'm just inserting random Trump policy here, but all of the Netherlands doesn't allow illegal immigrants to stay indefinitely, allows people to pay for citizenship, and in the case of the Irish passport, they're being offered a visa based on who their parents were.

Is it tariffs? Taxes are higher there. Is it the social services, health care, foreign invasions? Half of these people were Republicans until five minutes ago, and physically participated in our most unjustifiable wars. The Netherlands I assume is like the rest of Europe and is fanatically anti-Palestinian (they love any excuse to pretend the Nazis were somebody else) and anti-Russian to the point of demanding invasion. They're upset because Trump is marginally not aggressive enough for them, and is not financing foreign interventions more. They think that the US taxpayer might only pay for 75% of it, rather than 90%.

It seems to me that, and it shouldn't be surprising considering the outlet, that it's just a bunch of wealthy people who are embarrassed to be ruled by a wrestling valet game show host. The reason why we got the clown is because these people are so awful. It's nothing but an improvement for the US to dump them on Europe. As their old asses get sick, Europe can take care of them for free while they still have their millions (from getting in early on the property market and getting jobs back when there were still pensions) invested in Vanguard funds.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#76
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> President Donald Trump on Thursday accused several Democratic lawmakers of “seditious behavior,” calling for them to “be arrested and put on trial” for behavior that, he said, could be “punishable by death.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-democrats...

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#77
post #44

I love the Netherlands and have spent a few months trying it out as a place to live. It's among my favourite places: moderate weather, friendly people, a high level of personal freedom, very high rate of English speakers, clean and modern environment, good international restaurants, lively town centres even in smaller towns, most towns have rivers / canals which make them very pleasant to walk around. I could list ma…

> lists all of the reasons why countries with taxes are nice to live in

> concludes by: "it would be perfect if not for taxes"

People wouldn't be as friendly and well educated if they went bankrupt when losing their jobs, getting a cancer, had to take $100k loans for uni, &c. the towns wouldn't be nice and clean if people didn't pay taxes for regular cleaning, ...

There are very very few countries with low taxes and nice quality of life for the average Joe, and the exceptions usually don't want you to move in. Try Albania or Bulgaria, you'll quickly understand why most people are mostly happy about paying taxes

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#78
post #18

And go where? Seriously I don’t know of another country that isn’t on the same authoritarian track, if not further along. If anyone has done a serious study and come up with a country that still has strong judicial independence, due process, lack of censorship and respect for private property, Id love to know

The nordics? New Zealand? Any number of small countries (Belgium, Czechia) that still have a functional government that actually serves the people

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#79

Leaving now is the best way to ensure things get worse. If you've given up, your vote no longer counts and your voice no longer matters.

If the boat is sinking, I wouldn't stay on.

I'm growing tired of the bad analogies. This isn't some sinking ship in the ocean. It's a democratically elected republic. To re-abuse your analogy, every soul onboard is not dead weight, it is potent buoyancy.

Re: Leaving the U.S. for the Netherlands

#80

There are much better places in the world to move to than the Netherlands

You can expect 25%-50% the salary, with a cost-of-living similar to the SF Bay Area throughout the entire country. Relatively little jobs, a lot of legacy tech stacks, and these days a lot of stuff is outsourced to American SaaS platforms. High taxes, but they cover next to nothing for the average person.

Go to Eastern Europe, Switzerland, Scandinavia, maybe Italy or Greece.

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