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Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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No offense but how is that not obvious by second grade. Don't have a big mouth if you don't have a big stick too. Ireland doesn't have quiet opinions, but a rather big mouth about other nations' foreign policy.

At my school there were a lot of big mouths and no big sticks. Non armed debate is a thing.

We can try having a non-armed debate with Putin, but I don’t think it’s going to be very productive.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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> Ireland chose to take a position against colonialism By refusing to fight the Nazis? What? Are you implying that the Allies were the colonizers in WW2? (The Allied countries were also colonizers obviously, but within WW2 it's pretty obvious which countries were doing more of that, and more aggressively)

Ireland's position at the time (before they got images of concentration and elimination camps) was that what the Nazi did was no different than what colonial powers did during 200 years. And since the Nazis invented the concentration camps in Mozambique and Namibie (taking example from Belgium) around 1909, i'd say they weren't that wrong.

The Germans in Africa were cruel and inhumane. But the concentration camp and modern military campaigns targeting civilian populations were not something alien to the British.

Most well documented was in the Boer war:

https://theconversation.com/concentration-camps-in-the-south...

Ireland is usually underplayed and less clearly linked to government policy as much of the dirty work was done by private entities. You’re not likely familiar with Cromwell’s invasion, the Ulster Plantation or the famine… but the Irish were. Cromwell’s actions and later events resulted in the death of 10+% of the population. The famine resulted in the death of 10% and emigration of 10% of the population. That’s a lot of dead Irish and deeply affected these leaders.

I’m not defending Nazis or on some insane rant about Britain. I just think you need to judge decisions in context of the times.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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post #63

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> Ireland chose to take a position against colonialism By refusing to fight the Nazis? What? Are you implying that the Allies were the colonizers in WW2? (The Allied countries were also colonizers obviously, but within WW2 it's pretty obvious which countries were doing more of that, and more aggressively)

Ireland's position at the time (before they got images of concentration and elimination camps) was that what the Nazi did was no different than what colonial powers did during 200 years. And since the Nazis invented the concentration camps in Mozambique and Namibie (taking example from Belgium) around 1909, i'd say they weren't that wrong.

The Nazis we’re not in power in 1909… stepping beyond that fact, my understanding is that the British pioneered the technique during the Boer Wars…

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

#74
post #64

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No offense but how is that not obvious by second grade. Don't have a big mouth if you don't have a big stick too. Ireland doesn't have quiet opinions, but a rather big mouth about other nations' foreign policy.

At my school there were a lot of big mouths and no big sticks. Non armed debate is a thing.

>Non armed debate is a thing

Until your mouth writes a check that your ass can't cash.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Nearly Everything consequential in history was unexpected, and for the most part we have a record of someone important saying "that will never happen"

There's also a long history of tragic events happening precisely because everyone was preparing for them (see: WWI) and of course, of horribly wrong choices getting prepared for things that never happened.

WW1 wasn’t “started by preparation”. In fact it was the continuation of about 100 years of war, and the war continued for nearly 100 years afterward. Europe had been at war nearly continuously from Napoleon to 2000 .

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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post #64

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At my school there were a lot of big mouths and no big sticks. Non armed debate is a thing.

We can try having a non-armed debate with Putin, but I don’t think it’s going to be very productive.

Not that I'm recommending it but Putin's regime seems to behave much like the mafia and will get along with people who pay it protection money or ally with it.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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post #63

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Ireland's position at the time (before they got images of concentration and elimination camps) was that what the Nazi did was no different than what colonial powers did during 200 years. And since the Nazis invented the concentration camps in Mozambique and Namibie (taking example from Belgium) around 1909, i'd say they weren't that wrong.

The Nazis we’re not in power in 1909… stepping beyond that fact, my understanding is that the British pioneered the technique during the Boer Wars…

But many of the nazis in power in 36 did their first experimentations in the colonies. And by the way, in 33, one of the first act of Nazi germany was the sterilization of black and multiracial children.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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Yeah, didn't they completely fail at stopping hezbollah from rebuilding, right in their backyard?

That assumes that their mission is to stop anything. UNRWA's sole mission (like most large-scale nonprofits - not suggesting they're unique) is to continue to procure money for its 30,000 or so salaried posts.

Additionally, it assumes that the Irish, who broadly as a people support national liberation movements, would even want to prevent Hezbollah from rebuilding, even if they could.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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That assumes that their mission is to stop anything. UNRWA's sole mission (like most large-scale nonprofits - not suggesting they're unique) is to continue to procure money for its 30,000 or so salaried posts.

Additionally, it assumes that the Irish, who broadly as a people support national liberation movements, would even want to prevent Hezbollah from rebuilding, even if they could.

I mean what they think is somewhat irrelevant here, their UN mission was to stop terrorists from rebuilding, and utterly failed.

Re: Ireland's Inability to Defend Itself

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There's also a long history of tragic events happening precisely because everyone was preparing for them (see: WWI) and of course, of horribly wrong choices getting prepared for things that never happened.

WW1 wasn’t “started by preparation”. In fact it was the continuation of about 100 years of war, and the war continued for nearly 100 years afterward. Europe had been at war nearly continuously from Napoleon to 2000 .

Interesting! What are some battles of this war between 1946 to 2000, and what happened in 2000 to stop it?
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