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Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances

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Post by aseipp »

jsheard wrote: post #48
sgerenser wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Graviton CPUs are just Neoverse cores (V3 in this case). While it’s true that you can’t just buy a box with the same cores, the cores are basically the same as what you’ll get on a Google or Azure cloud instance (eventually… the latter two have yet to make available anything with Neoverse V3 yet).

Strangely the first-generation Graviton chips have actually shown up in MikroTik hardware that you can just buy. Amazon must be selling off their stock to third parties once it's phased out of use at AWS, but I doubt they'll ever sell the stuff they're still using.

MikroTik is one of the few public organizations who can still get chips from Annapurna Labs after their acquisition by AWS, it seems. Many of their offerings are still using Annapurna parts, and Annapurna still appears as a distinct brand in AWS marketing for its custom silicon, even. I wonder what the specifics of that relationship are.

(Side note but the original Graviton1 was just 16x Cortex-A72 cores, nothing particularly special about it. Actually, all of the Graviton series are just standard ARM cores. But beyond that the SKU they use is indeed the same one AWS uses.)

Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances

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Post by fweimer »

zokier wrote: post #17
fweimer wrote: post #15

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It seems they don't document the ISA for any instance types. This could be deliberate (and unrelated to marketing) in case they decide to pull features from the instance types in a microcode update. Without any ISA specifics, previous customer commitments towards instance types would still apply.

They list what specific cpus you get for each instance type, see eg https://docs.aws.amazon.com/ec2/latest/instancetypes/gp.html

The part under “Performance specifications“? That's not really a commitment to functionality, especially since there is no vendor specification (ISA reference manual) for many of those model names given. Intel even published a FAQ about missing specifications: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000...

Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances

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Post by 1x_engineer »

mmontagna9 wrote: post #56
diath wrote: post #51

No benchmarks. No FLOPs. No comparison to commodity hardware. I hate the cloud servers. "9 is faster than 8 which is faster than 7 which is faster than 6, ..., which is faster than 1, which has unknown performance".

If you're interested in using them you should just bench them yourself.

I’ve had terrible luck benchmarking EC2. Measurements are too noisy to be repeatable. The same instance of the wrong type can swing by double digit percentages when tested twice an hour apart.

Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances

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Post by infberg »

StratusBen wrote: post #40
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #11

Pricing when? :( https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/

https://instances.vantage.sh/ recently added alerts for any pricing changes on EC2, including newly launching new instances. The site rebuilds every 4 hours so it usually breaks the pricing news first. I have it on for myself and its super helpful just to see when AWS changes things. [Disclaimer, I'm CEO of Vantage - the company that maintains the site]

Hey, big fan of the vantage instance finder. Would it be possible to add instance type labels similar to what AWS calls them on their website - "storage-optimized", "general-purpose" etc.?

I find this often useful to quickly compare similar instance types, e.g.: m7g vs. m8g vs. m9g.

Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances

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Post by winrid »

llm_nerd wrote: post #65
winrid wrote: post #63

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Groan. Absolutely not. :) c8g passmark score: 1853 c8i passmark score: 3008 I guess the fps column isn't a good representation of single thread score. Also looking at the passmark scores for i4i vs i4g, i4g is about 1k and intel is about 2k, and the more modern Graviton equivalent of i4 is the same price, so... https://go.runs-on.com/instances/ec2/c8g https://go.runs-on.com/instances/ec2/c8i https://go.runs-on.com/in…

So confident. And exactly the whack-a-mole nonsense I predicted. See the comment by electroly. They actually know what they're talking about. See, the FPS score is for the whole machine. The c8g gives you 8 real cores. The C8i gives you 4 real cores, 4 hyperthreading pseudo-cores. So for those two machines the c8g unequivocally gives you more absolute computing performance, regardless of the passmark single thread (o…

Single thread performance is important for many workloads. It's not nonsense. Things like index builds on an i4g vs i4i could be half as slow. That's really important!

I don't know why you continue to be a fucking asshole. It's just a hosting provider. Go touch grass.

Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances

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Post by llm_nerd »

winrid wrote: post #76
llm_nerd wrote: post #65

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So confident. And exactly the whack-a-mole nonsense I predicted. See the comment by electroly. They actually know what they're talking about. See, the FPS score is for the whole machine. The c8g gives you 8 real cores. The C8i gives you 4 real cores, 4 hyperthreading pseudo-cores. So for those two machines the c8g unequivocally gives you more absolute computing performance, regardless of the passmark single thread (o…

Single thread performance is important for many workloads. It's not nonsense. Things like index builds on an i4g vs i4i could be half as slow. That's really important! I don't know why you continue to be a fucking asshole. It's just a hosting provider. Go touch grass.

"I don't know why you continue to be a fucking asshole"

Your very first comment was an obnoxious "Not true at all" to the absolutely, incontestably true statement that Gravitons offer better $/perf. So maybe you need to look in the mirror and go touch grass.

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Post by whalesalad »

StratusBen wrote: post #40
HatchedLake721 wrote: post #11

Pricing when? :( https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/

https://instances.vantage.sh/ recently added alerts for any pricing changes on EC2, including newly launching new instances. The site rebuilds every 4 hours so it usually breaks the pricing news first. I have it on for myself and its super helpful just to see when AWS changes things. [Disclaimer, I'm CEO of Vantage - the company that maintains the site]

Can you open source the code so I can fix bugs

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Post by StratusBen »

whalesalad wrote: post #78
StratusBen wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://instances.vantage.sh/ recently added alerts for any pricing changes on EC2, including newly launching new instances. The site rebuilds every 4 hours so it usually breaks the pricing news first. I have it on for myself and its super helpful just to see when AWS changes things. [Disclaimer, I'm CEO of Vantage - the company that maintains the site]

Can you open source the code so I can fix bugs

It's been open-source for 10+ years and the repo is linked in the top right of the site. Here's a link: https://github.com/vantage-sh/ec2instances.info

We'd greatly appreciate contributions!

Re: Amazon EC2 M9g Instances

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Post by StratusBen »

jolan wrote: post #64
StratusBen wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://instances.vantage.sh/ recently added alerts for any pricing changes on EC2, including newly launching new instances. The site rebuilds every 4 hours so it usually breaks the pricing news first. I have it on for myself and its super helpful just to see when AWS changes things. [Disclaimer, I'm CEO of Vantage - the company that maintains the site]

FYI, it's been almost two years since us-east-1-chi-2 launched and it's still missing on the site. Any reason for this? Kind of feels like local zones are a 2nd class citizen even at AWS itself. Thank you for maintaining this, I do use it every few months at $DAYJOB and it's quite useful for my capacity/deployment planning.

Huh...weird. I just looked into this and we do have us-east-1-chi-1....but not chi-2. It appears that chi-2 isn't being returned at all as part of the bulk pricing API from AWS for some reason. We'll see if we can dig deeper on why that's the case but just wanted to let you know that's the root issue from our end.
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