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EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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They changed the blue check from an exclusive club of the rich and popular, to just Ive got a paying account. How is that misleading? Why does the EU have a say about design choices?

They call it 'verified', and, er, do not seem to do much in the way of verification. I mean, it's hard not to see it as misleading at the very least.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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The blue check symbolised (symbolises) being verified, i.e. this account belongs to who it says it does. But it doesn't carry out any/sufficient checks to actually verify that. See also: https://x.com/jesus/status/1590405986925543424

Twitter created that definition and now the EU has the divine right to not let them change it? Verified can and does mean many things.

The common meaning of language is important. If they want it to mean something other than 'verified' as commonly understood, they should rename it.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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Elon Musk's completely reasonable response:

> The EU should be abolished and sovereignty returned to individual countries, so that governments can better represent their people

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1997279325876367719

https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1997279325876367719

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> whenever a joint EU project is formed between two countries with vendors, they inevitabely end up collapsing due to domestic political considerations such as the European MBT and FCAS - no leader wants to be the leader who shut down a factory with 1200 high paying unionized jobs for the greater good Eurofighter Typhoon and before that the Panavia Tornado. That lineage's next up is the GCAP 6th gen plane. Horizon/Or…

> The EU will continue backing Ukraine How? Ukraine uses American intel for targeting, a significant amount of American munitions either bought directly from the US or indirectly by member states, and more critically, we in the US can force Ukraine to the table by preventing access to these systems. > but exploration of Russian assets is quite probable (opposition isn't massive... How? Belgium has vetoed expropriatin…

> Ukraine uses American intel for targeting

They have been cut off already. But if you think that Ukraine was flying blind until now if not for US targeting, I don't know what to tell you.

> Which isn't really an EU project - it's a Leonardo SA - Mitsubishi project as Leonardo is dual British-Italian

No, Leonardo is Italian with significant presence in the UK. But in any case the British component is provided by BAE Systems (which also heavily participate in F-35). And yes, it's not an EU project, it's a project in which European countries and companies are taking part. Does that change anything?

> Which isn't really an EU project - it's a Leonardo SA - Mitsubishi project as Leonardo is dual British-Italian. And that's my point

> No EU joint defense project succeeds because inevitably individual states in the EU protect their champions

Do I need to list the big successes again? This is categorically not true.

> How? Belgium has vetoed expropriating Russian assets [0] because the ECB rejected providing a backstop. And Hungary has vetoed the utilization of Eurobonds [1]

Belgium can be convinced potentially, and with any luck Orban would be heading to prison next year, so Hungary wouldn't be vetoing Eurobonds.

> The Chinese gave the exact same ultimatum as the US to European leadership, and so are the Indians as part of the FTA negotiation.

What ultimatum? To drop DSA? Source?

> They absolutely are in R&D and IP, but their production will not scale out until 2029-35, at which point it would be too late.

Production of what? This is so industry and company specific that I struggle taking you seriously just throwing random years like that for everything. And in any case one the major weapon of the war is drones, for which manufacturing is mostly local in Ukraine. There are a million other things that go into a war machine, but pretending that the second US cuts supplies Ukraine has to surrender is disingenuous.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> The EU will continue backing Ukraine How? Ukraine uses American intel for targeting, a significant amount of American munitions either bought directly from the US or indirectly by member states, and more critically, we in the US can force Ukraine to the table by preventing access to these systems. > but exploration of Russian assets is quite probable (opposition isn't massive... How? Belgium has vetoed expropriatin…

> Ukraine uses American intel for targeting They have been cut off already. But if you think that Ukraine was flying blind until now if not for US targeting, I don't know what to tell you. > Which isn't really an EU project - it's a Leonardo SA - Mitsubishi project as Leonardo is dual British-Italian No, Leonardo is Italian with significant presence in the UK. But in any case the British component is provided by BAE…

> Belgium can be convinced potentially

They cannot. The Belgian government has categorically rejected expropriation 3 days ago because the ECB rejected providing any funding, and Euroclear has announced it will fight the EU in Belgian court if any steps are taken to do so [2] with Belgian govenenent backing [4], so those funds would anyhow be frozen for years.

You aren't even reading any of my citations.

> Orban would be heading to prison next year, so Hungary wouldn't be vetoing Eurobonds

We still have Slovakia [3].

> What ultimatum? To drop DSA? Source

Over other regulations like CBAM [0]. The same way the US is playing hard ball over the DSA, China+India are playing hard ball over CBAM.

> Leonardo is Italian with significant presence in the UK

Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1], but being a single overarching conglomerate makes it significantly easier to manage the GCAP project, versus FCAS which became a Renault-Airbus spat which turned into a France-Germany spat.

> but pretending that the second US cuts supplies Ukraine has to surrender is disingenuous.

EU leadership has admitted this fact [5] and even best case projections [6] show it is a Herculean task in the next 1 year.

[0] - https://asia.nikkei.com/economy/trade/india-and-china-make-t...

[1] - https://www.leonardo.com/en/suppliers/supplier-portal/helico...

[2] - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/economy/article/2025/11/15/eurocle...

[3] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-08/slovakia-...

[4] - https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2025/12/06/b...

[5] - https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/25/kaja-kallas-intervi...

[6] - https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/defending-europe-without-us...

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> What does this even mean? What do you mean by "civilize"? Teach them not to gas millions of people, that kind of thing. Nothing outrageous or anything. > Russia is currently conducting a genocide over in Ukraine, for example by kidnapping children and bringing them over to Russia and beyond, for example to North Korea. Ukrainian casualties are nothing like what Germany was inflicting on people. The latter rises to…

> Ukrainian casualties are nothing like what Germany was inflicting on people. The latter rises to the standard. The former perhaps not. The UN convention on prevention of genocide doesn't have any victim threshold for what counts as genocide. > To be honest, at first I thought we had to help a European country being invaded by Russia, but over time I've realized that Europeans mostly don't want us there Anyone using…

> But Trump and Vance have completely changed how Europeans see the US. Now everyone knows that they're no longer a partner. There is no going back on this.

Exactly. Europeans believe we are not partners any more and that we never will be. There’s really no reason for us to send anything to Ukraine. When we were partners it made sense but as you point out, Europeans don’t believe that’s the case. So I think it’s time to move on and stop trying to force an alliance that doesn’t want to be together.

We should disband NATO and adjust to the new world order where Europe and the US are not allies, just participants in a multipolar world. If Europeans want to fight Europeans, we should let them work it out.

It’s not our business and they don’t want us in it. The allies we pick should be ones who want to be allied with us. America lost four hundred thousand men for your last internal conflict. We requested and got a token few thousand men over all the times we needed you. The debt will remain unpaid. And that’s okay.

You don’t want us and we don’t want you. It’s time to get a divorce.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> Ukraine uses American intel for targeting They have been cut off already. But if you think that Ukraine was flying blind until now if not for US targeting, I don't know what to tell you. > Which isn't really an EU project - it's a Leonardo SA - Mitsubishi project as Leonardo is dual British-Italian No, Leonardo is Italian with significant presence in the UK. But in any case the British component is provided by BAE…

> Belgium can be convinced potentially They cannot. The Belgian government has categorically rejected expropriation 3 days ago because the ECB rejected providing any funding, and Euroclear has announced it will fight the EU in Belgian court if any steps are taken to do so [2] with Belgian govenenent backing [4], so those funds would anyhow be frozen for years. You aren't even reading any of my citations. > Orban woul…

> Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1], but being a single overarching conglomerate makes it significantly easier to manage the GCAP project, versus FCAS which became a Renault-Airbus spat which turned into a France-Germany spat.

I have a hard time with you, you sound extremely confident in your opinions, provide sources and everything, and then make massive errors like saying no European common military projects work (after having been given a list of the big hits), confuse what Leonardo is and who is working on GCAP, and now you're confusing Renault (a car manufacturer that used to make planes a century ago, and that has recently said they'll look into making drones from underused factories) and Dassault Aviation.

To top it off, you cite sources that don't support your claims.

> Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1],

And cite a source that merely says "Requirement to rate each part number being exported from the UK in accordance with the UK Military Classification List; " (emphasis mine).

> Over other regulations like CBAM [0]. The same way the US is playing hard ball over the DSA, China+India are playing hard ball over CBAM.

"Playing hardball" is not ultimatum. And your source doesn't even support your "hard ball" claim, it says India tried pushing back which was refused by the EU.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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> Belgium can be convinced potentially They cannot. The Belgian government has categorically rejected expropriation 3 days ago because the ECB rejected providing any funding, and Euroclear has announced it will fight the EU in Belgian court if any steps are taken to do so [2] with Belgian govenenent backing [4], so those funds would anyhow be frozen for years. You aren't even reading any of my citations. > Orban woul…

> Yep, and as a result needs to continue to follow UK specific regulations and export controls [1], but being a single overarching conglomerate makes it significantly easier to manage the GCAP project, versus FCAS which became a Renault-Airbus spat which turned into a France-Germany spat. I have a hard time with you, you sound extremely confident in your opinions, provide sources and everything, and then make massive…

> To top it off, you cite sources that don't support your claims.

I may have made 1 mistake in that citation, but you have clearly not read the other. And you clearly aren't citing anything

> I have a hard time with you

The feeling is mutual.

Answer my questions of how or it's just whataboutism.

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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They could implement a similar system to what Facebook currently provides when doing research with platform data. I think they only allow access to carefully controlled data through a remote sandboxed environment. I think Twitter is already providing access to this data through paid APIs too, so this is effectively subsidizing researcher access.

Probably, but as I mentioned before, the EU has been using the DSA as a negotiating tool against the US - just like we are using Free Speech absolutism and "censorship" as a tool against the EU in negotiations. Unlike other major tech companies like Meta or Alphabet that fall under the DSA, X doesn't have a similar presence in the EU to give it a firewall. Alphabet has Poland on it's side [0], Meta has Ireland on it'…

alephnerd, I have to flat out disagree with your grievances [0][1][2][3][4][5]. The more I read, the worse it gets. The fact that some people in a foreign country feel personally persecuted by the DSA and are willing to bully us around is not a good argument against it [1]. In fact, I think the American attitude of having "red lines" about this is quite frankly irrelevant to the bigger picture [2]. I think there are plenty of ego-syntonic justifications for why it's okay to take a different stance than us on our policies, but while there are plenty of sources, I don't think there is a lot of reasoned analysis [3]. I'm sure much of it is shaped by personal circumstances. But I admit, sweeping historical references can be interesting too [4]. As a Swede, I can tell you that not a single person I know cares about random companies in Czechia, Luxembourg, Germany or France getting pressured [5]. I'm not very familiar with it, but I'm sure Finland already regrets their previous stance on cloud-infra. Perceptions have fundamentally changed about the United States as an ally. As for GCAP and FCAS, they have different requirements and serve different purposes. What's your take on the next Gripen?

If you want to pressure Volkswagen, go ahead. Nobody cares. The fundamental flaw in your position is your implicit assumption about what we value or what motivates us. We're not Americans. I don't think America's "non-tariff barriers" are a valid concern. They are disingenuous rhetoric for domestic consumption. Heads would roll if there was ever an agreement with the US to lower our standards and open up local industries to competition from lower quality foreign importers due to geopolitical pressure. Pressure is not going to undo the DSA or the GDPR because they have broad support. As others have said, it is decades overdue. If Elon Musk is mad about having to follow the law, I'm sure he can find sympathy elsewhere. His sour grapes are not principled, they are about protecting his ego and finding others who do so for him.

Sorry for the bluntness, but I feel it is very much warranted.

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46170027#46170683

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46170027#46170823

[2] - ibid.

[3] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46170027#46171255

[4] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46170027#46174642

[5] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46170027#46175036

Re: EU hits X with €120M fine for breaching the Digital Services Act

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They have the legal right, similar to the federal government in the USA. You can disagree with their judgement, but they clearly have the right to enforce it.

If every government in the world has a say on everything, nothing is permitted.

They do though within their borders?
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