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Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by lenkite »

jan_g wrote: post #67
crazybonkersai wrote: post #66

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It implemented on a DNS level. Easily circumvented by using a third party dns server (like Google or Cloudflare). Nonetheless this is political censorship plain and simple. EU crying about censorship in other countries is just pure hypocrisy.

Of course it's political, what else could it be? If Putin's regime is censoring western media, is it any less political? In other words, is there any censoring of news media (foreign or domestic) you would consider apolitical? > EU crying about censorship in other countries is just pure hypocrisy. I don't see any crying about censorship. It's a made up argument. Personally, I couldn't care less about censoring in Rus…

> If Putin's regime is censoring western media, is it any less political?

Would like to point out that Russian bans came in response to the EU ban.

"The EU first banned Russian state media outlets like RT and Sputnik on March 1, 2022, as part of sanctions against Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Russia then restricted access to Western outlets, such as the BBC and Deutsche Welle, on March 4, 2022, in response. A more recent cycle occurred in 2024, with the EU banning Voice of Europe, RIA Novosti, Izvestia, and Rossiyskaya Gazeta on May 17 (effective June 25), followed by Russia's ban on 81 EU media outlets, including Politico and AFP, on June 25. In both cases, Russia's actions came after the EU's."

Personally, I think this is stupid but domestic politics sadly always trump international common-sense.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by r721 »

itroot wrote: post #54
seattle_spring wrote: post #21

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> check ZeroHedge to get the opposite view Can you elaborate here? ZeroHedge isn't an opposing viewpoint nor opinion, it's mostly made-up nonsense. Even calling it pseudoscience would be generous.

Yeah, I see it as a radical anti-establisment resource. I would not call it a complete nonsence though, for me it's a place where you can "get" thinking of folks who are opposing "the System". So there is some value. I'm not political or activist of any kind. However sometimes it makes sense to get understanding how other people think, so sometimes I read comments here and there. HN has its own bias as well. Usually…

FYI: ZeroHedge is a project of two pro-Kremlin Bulgarians, a father and son:

https://newrepublic.com/article/156788/zero-hedge-russian-tr...

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by mopsi »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #14
ch2026 wrote: post #4

Incidentally nobody in Russia can read that article because they already banned the BBC and 80 other EU media outlets. And Facebook. And Instagram. And Twitter. And Discord. This is standard Russian censorship of western media and news.

Russia Today et al are banned in the EU. This is standard European censorship of Russian media and news.

  > This is standard European censorship of Russian media and news.
There is not a single media outlet left in Russia anymore. The media crackdown is complete. They are all government propaganda now, repeating the same narratives dictated by the Kremlin and free only to choose the wording. They deserve to be removed from the market the same way a box of cereal is pulled when ingredients do not match the printing on the box.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by throwaway290 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #65
coryrc wrote: post #29

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> everybody else who is a regular person is an idiot. Looking at your dictator's approval levels and the number of people willingly signing up to die while killing innocents, that sounds correct. You all need help breaking the cycle of intergenerational trauma.

Lol, the dictator's approval rating is so high that he bans, forces to exile or kills any opposing candidate, never risking elections vs anyone not fully controlled by him. Every time someone like Bukele flexes that his approval rating is higher than Putin's, I laugh -- the guy clearly doesn't understand that this isn't the flex he thinks it is.

I used to be rosy eyed like you for a while

I think if you talked to more fellow russians you would be surprised how many support him unironically)

by my estimate more than 50% (of people who have an opinion)

control of information is a magical thing

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by mopsi »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #65
coryrc wrote: post #29

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> everybody else who is a regular person is an idiot. Looking at your dictator's approval levels and the number of people willingly signing up to die while killing innocents, that sounds correct. You all need help breaking the cycle of intergenerational trauma.

Lol, the dictator's approval rating is so high that he bans, forces to exile or kills any opposing candidate, never risking elections vs anyone not fully controlled by him. Every time someone like Bukele flexes that his approval rating is higher than Putin's, I laugh -- the guy clearly doesn't understand that this isn't the flex he thinks it is.

Putin's approval rating is genuinely that high, around 80%. Nobody cares about opposing candidates, because Russia has had one or two free elections in its entire history. Far more important is that Putin has flooded the lower classes with money. People who were used to surviving on a few hundred dollars a month are now receiving tens of thousands in sign-up bonuses alone, plus military wages and compensations. Absolutely life-changing money for them. It is comparable to flooding a troubled area like West Virginia with military sign-up bonuses ranging from hundreds of thousands to a million per enlistment, with additional money flowing into communities from injury and death compensations.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by rsynnott »

itroot wrote: post #54
seattle_spring wrote: post #21

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> check ZeroHedge to get the opposite view Can you elaborate here? ZeroHedge isn't an opposing viewpoint nor opinion, it's mostly made-up nonsense. Even calling it pseudoscience would be generous.

Yeah, I see it as a radical anti-establisment resource. I would not call it a complete nonsence though, for me it's a place where you can "get" thinking of folks who are opposing "the System". So there is some value. I'm not political or activist of any kind. However sometimes it makes sense to get understanding how other people think, so sometimes I read comments here and there. HN has its own bias as well. Usually…

> Yeah, I see it as a radical anti-establisment resource.

Only if the 'establishment' involved is, well, reality.

> I would not call it a complete nonsence though, for me it's a place where you can "get" thinking of folks who are opposing "the System".

No, it's where you can get thinking from crazy people. Actual dissidents are elsewhere.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

thenthenthen wrote: post #41
extesy wrote: post #17

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That depends on what you mean by "operating". This very website, Hacker News, is not blocked in Russia - does that mean Y Combinator is "operating" there?

Fun fact, Hacker News is blocked in China

I’m curious how you know this? Did you try to get to this site from mainland and it was blocked?

Seems to work fine from a Chinese VPN IP

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by Andrew_nenakhov »

throwaway290 wrote: post #68
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #64

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Of course, it is true. If you are not a complete idiot, you won't be content with being blocked from the information you seek, so you'd find someone technical to help you out. I personally give access to my vpn server to ~100 users for free, and so far the access is stable enough. I have little doubts that in the future it'll be more difficult, but we'll see about that when we get there.

Calling people "complete idiots" because they follow the law, because they don't have $$$ to spend on fines, because they are unlucky to be doing a job society actually needs like a teacher or cleaner or bus driver instead of vibe coding ai saas, will not help you convince people about the change you want to see A normal person follows the law. It's bad when that law is forced by dictator but you should get off your…

You aren't from Russia, aren't you? Yes, anyone in Russia who still doesn't have VPN access IS a complete idiot. This is the reality on the ground that I observe every day. Nannies in kindergartens have them, teachers at school have them, salespersons in perfume store have them, all students have them, schoolchildren have them.

And it has nothing to do with the law — currently, using vpn isn't breaking any laws.

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by throwaway290 »

grishka wrote: post #61
culebron21 wrote: post #53

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Law enforcement in Russia works differently than in the US, especially in politically charged fields. An exapmel: in the US, one man was charged of breaking construction codes because he was doing chemical experiments in the basement of his single-family house, in a block zoned accordingly. I understand this is extreme, but a good illustration. He was doing something on his own, and was charged. Such enforcement is e…

Technically, the act of bypassing censorship by itself is still not even illegal. They did make it recently such that writing about VPNs is grounds for blocking wherever you've written about it. https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2024-11-22_v_rossii_zapretili_...

> Technically, the act of bypassing censorship by itself is still not even illegal

Seeking extremist materials is illegal as of September. If that is not "bypassing censorship" then what is?

By the way. Extremist materials is a big list of thousands of things that no one can always know. What it means for a normal person? If you use VPN you can be finding extremist materials, if you don't = then you don't (because they are all helpfully blocked)

After 3 months there is one guy with a case for looking up Azov for example https://meduza.io/amp/cards/mvd-vpervye-popytalos-oshtrafova...

Re: Russia Bans Roblox

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Post by throwaway290 »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #78
throwaway290 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling people "complete idiots" because they follow the law, because they don't have $$$ to spend on fines, because they are unlucky to be doing a job society actually needs like a teacher or cleaner or bus driver instead of vibe coding ai saas, will not help you convince people about the change you want to see A normal person follows the law. It's bad when that law is forced by dictator but you should get off your…

You aren't from Russia, aren't you? Yes, anyone in Russia who still doesn't have VPN access IS a complete idiot. This is the reality on the ground that I observe every day. Nannies in kindergartens have them, teachers at school have them, salespersons in perfume store have them, all students have them, schoolchildren have them. And it has nothing to do with the law — currently, using vpn isn't breaking any laws.

Where is that, Moscow? I guess you aren't from Russia)
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