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Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Imagine the collective brainpower that could be used to help solve the world's ills, and instead decided, no, what we need is a camera pointed at your asshole which we feed into an AI-powered SaaS we can then sell to you for a subscription. This industry is finished.

They claim it only points about your doings, but even then...

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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I feel End-to-end is over marketed. Yes it protects your data from transmission pipes, but data on both your "ends" can be easily controlled and duplicated. Your picture on your device can be accessed by 3rd party, so does your data on the server.

End-to-end encryption is not a term used for communication between clients and servers, although I saw several marketers trying to do it. For normal people E2EE means privacy, and that's why some company tries to sneak the term in products where it makes no sense.

> For normal people E2EE means privacy

It's misunderstood.

In the begining it's used to describe chat apps, your chat message are delivered in a secure way.

But later some marketers try to use it as a "transport channel" for client-server interactions.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

#73
Years ago, a friend and I were kicking around startup ideas. We weren't coming up with anything good, so we flipped it and decided to come up with the worst/dumbest idea possible. We landed on a social media site dedicated to poop (this was back when social media sites were all the rage). People could upload pictures of their poop, discuss poop, share "best poop" stories, and so on. We never actually built anything, realizing it was just a joke, a total waste of time. ... Fast forward to 2025: For $600-plus-monthly-subscription, we'll take pictures of your poop!

BTW, someone please tell me that there is/was a social media site dedicated to poop, and the founder got rich from it. I need that today.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Yeah, it’s kinda like such a reasonable thing too Doing on device compute is probably expensive and would prohibit such a product based on the economics but ITS A GENITAL CAM

Well, this waste analyzing piece of e-waste costs $600, so you could probably cram a lot of inference horsepower in there if you wanted to.

And the heat from the processor(s) would make for a comfy user experience in the wintertime.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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Nah. You have no reasonable expectation that the bank itself can’t access your financial records. Anyone reading Kohler’s lies would have every expectation that the Internet of Poopcam screenshots are theirs and theirs alone.

Anyone reading that is misunderstanding what E2EE means. As the article says, that's client-side encryption. Kohler isn't lying, people are confusing two different security features.

That is an uncommon interpretation that’s far different than the usual meaning.

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What. Who is buying a $600 camera to take pictures of your stool?

People who have clinical gut issues need to track this kind of thing

And people who are being treated for gut issues can pay for their $600 medical toilet with HSA or insurance

Honestly, that this camera toilet exists is not a WTF for me. If my doctor needs to track changes to my stool, I certainly don’t want to have to hover over the bowl with my phone out. Please, just have the toilet take the picture.

Re: Kohler Can Access Pictures from "End-to-End Encrypted" Toilet Camera

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This is exactly what E2EE means. I used to work at a bank, and our data was E2EE, and we had to certify that it was E2EE - from the person paying, through the networks, through the DNS and Load balancers, until it got to the servers. Only at the servers could it be unencrypted and a (authoried) human could look at it. Of course, only authorized users could see the data, but that was a different compliance line item.

No, E2EE doesn't mean it's encrypted until the service provider decrypts it. E2EE means the service provider is unable to decrypt it. What you are describing is encryption in transit (and possibly at rest). Bank data is never E2EE because the bank needs to see it. If banks call it E2EE they are misusing the term. E2EE for financial transactions would look like e.g. ZCash.

I would argue it depends on context. E2EE means it's encrypted until the "target" receives it. For a messaging protocol, it's the intended recipient of the message. For what the person you're replying is discussing, the intended recipient IS the bank.

That being said, the person you're replying to seems to be saying that "the server" is always an "intended" end, which is wrong.

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