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Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

If it weren't for the S-Pen, I'd ditch Samsung in a heartbeat. The day iPhone has a built-in EMR/AES stylus is the day I become a customer (despite being an Android lifer). Don't think that will ever happen though, despite Apple shipping Pencil for iPads. Samsung has definitely built a (small) moat being the only vendor with that offering.

I'm in the same boat. Although I would also be willing to go back to Apple if they release a truly small phone. But I'm forced to carry one of these gigantic beasts I want to be able to take (handwritten) notes with it.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

Samsung has good hardware, but their software is really mediocre, at best. Many of their devices are laggy and slow down further after some updates. This is the case even on high-end devices. Our 12-month-old Galaxy Tab is slower than a 7-year-old Pixel. Hard to understand. Plus, they make really odd tweaks to the UI, such as adding a permanent button overlay that clashes with most hamburger icons in websites and app…

The status bar icons on the top right of One UI (Samsung's firmware skin) aren't even aligned or the same size. It's only just been fixed in One UI 8.5, years from the problem first happening.

You're welcome if you can't unsee it now.

It's nothing major, but it's one example of how inconsistent and disorganised their software is, there's so much low hanging fruit that you'd think their software division was under duress, along with year long delays to software updates.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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I have a Samsung Galaxy and their build quality is still pretty solid especially compared to the Chinese brands (I'm grateful Samsung didn't copy their ugly camera bumps) but the battery size is mediocre and the software is somehow worse than all the Chinese iOS clones.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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I know why someone would buy an iPhone or a Pixel. I guess people buy Samsung because they're sold in stores?

Round here many people think there are only two manufacturers of phones: Apple and Samsung. You'll struggle to find someone who isn't "in to tech" who has heard of Pixel. I've never had a Samsung but use Android and numerous people have referred to my phone as "a Samsung". So it's a stronger brand than you might think.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Samsung has good hardware, but their software is really mediocre, at best. Many of their devices are laggy and slow down further after some updates. This is the case even on high-end devices. Our 12-month-old Galaxy Tab is slower than a 7-year-old Pixel. Hard to understand. Plus, they make really odd tweaks to the UI, such as adding a permanent button overlay that clashes with most hamburger icons in websites and app…

And on top of that, you can't unlock One UI 8 and above.

As much as I wish it wasn't the case, not being able to bootloader unlock is not a cause of any meaningful reduction in sales. The Android ROM community has been on life support for a few years now.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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As someone who bought mostly Samsung phones before (went from Samsung A3 2015 -> S8 -> Z Fold 4 -> Z Fold 6), their recent few years have been painful to watch. I’ll take the Z Fold series as an example since that’s what I use, but from what I heard their other devices aren’t better off. The Z Fold 7 is a downgrade over the Fold 6 I have in every way in my opinion (but I can at least thank the Fold 7 for making the Fold 6 new in a sealed box cheaper with 512GB than an iPhone 17 Pro Max with 256GB and thus making an upgrade viable). And it seems like this has been happening to their other devices as well. I won’t buy another Samsung phone (and foldable at that; Samsung had the only good format, IMO).

Just a few things which would make me never buy a Fold 7: No Under Display Camera, instead it has a big hole (This cam is used only for meetings anyway, for selfies you use the main camera anyway. A big uninterrupted plane of screen is far far far far better than a better cam for meetings that gets compressed and then is a tiny square in the corner anyway.) No unlockable bootloader worldwide (is a OneUI 8 issue, not specifically a Fold 7 issue) They made it thinner instead of giving it a bigger battery, which makes it way harder to open and hold No S-Pen support (Seriously, why? The Fold is one of the main devices where a pen is cool. It makes more sense to include it in the Fold than the S Ultra.) They completely destroyed the aspect ratio (The outer screen was thin and tall, perfect for one-handed use, kinda like a TV remote; you can reach everywhere with one hand. The inner screen still is taller than it is wide, while almost being 4:3. This makes older content like shows and emulated games fill almost the entire screen without giving overly huge black bars on 16:9 content. Now on the Fold 7 the outer screen is almost like a normal phone and the inner screen is almost a perfect square. This makes the outer screen way worse to use one-handed and the inner screen has huge bars on everything and apps that are fullscreen scale terribly with just a few way oversized UI options showing.) It is thinner, too thin. The Fold 6 was perfect in that regard, but when I tried to open the Fold 7 on one of those showcase units in a store it was not possible to get a good grip on the side to open it. Instead they should have just increased the battery size or included the S-Pen in the bottom like with the S Ultras. Worse hinge that snaps open after 90° instead of being able to stay in almost every angle like the Fold 6.

The only upgrades are: The camera isn’t that much worse anymore (Literally 0 use for me, I never take images and the ones I do are pretty much only to note something quickly, but I understand that that was a huge downside for most people so that is a good upgrade.) Better dust protection Snapdragon X Elite (This is the one thing I wish my Fold had)

And all of these downgrades for 100€ more MSRP. Also those downgrades are just what I remembered off the top of my head. Most of the compromises were just to make it thinner (the removal of the UDC and S-Pen support and the worse hinge for example), which like I said was in and of itself a downgrade.

To me it feels like they only listened to the reviewers that never used a Fold and after their 2 hours of the hands-on experience will never use one again. It’s not a normal phone; it’s not supposed to be. So trying to make it 1:1 like a normal phone removes everything that made it good because I specifically didn’t want a normal phone. Especially since the biggest issue was the price, so increasing the price further (over the already increased price of the Z Fold 5/6) is so stupid.

But enough of my rambles, I’m probably the only person that uses their Fold this way if I look at all the reviews which call the Fold 7 the best foldable Samsung ever made and a huge improvement over all the other Z Folds.

I hope it was at least somewhat readable since it’s still very early, I’m tired, and English isn’t my native language.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

The 17 series has some upgrade-worthy features at least, unlike 16 where I'm not sure where the improvements were.

The base 17 got always on display, while the 17 Pro got a huge camera upgrade. Both 17s got the much-improved selfie camera.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 80% of global industry profit. Are you thinking about the "services", aka mostly mobile casinos ? I never saw a figure of Apple making 80% of profit on the devices, I'd love to see where you get the number from.

No services. Or profit margin. Apple is the most profitable company in the smartphone business and, while their "unit sales" or market share accounts for only about 20%, Apple's share of the smartphone industry's profit is about 80+%.

If what you mean by "smartphone business" is neither unit sales nor services, I'd really need you to point at some specific report to understand what we're talking about.

Re: Apple to beat Samsung in smartphone shipments for first time in 14 years

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Not because Apple made a jump in sales but mostly because Samsung has been on a decade long decline.

I recently got a Samsung device for testing, and the experience was terrible. It took three hours to get the device into a usable state. First, it essentially forces you to create both a Samsung account and a Google account, with numerous shady prompts for "improving services" and "allowing targeted ads." Then it required nine system updates (apparently, it can only update incrementally), and worst of all, after a wh…

These accounts are not required! I use my Samsungs without a Google account. And I only use a Samsung account on some of them.

It's harder to install apps but I use aurora store. Push messaging still works without a Google account.

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