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Re: SmartTube Compromised

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Post by carlosjobim »

graemep wrote: post #38
M4v3R wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is $14 dollars for ad-free, unlimited access to literally billions of videos really a steep price? Personally if I were to get rid of all but one of my media subscriptions I would stick with this one, since it's got everything - entertainment, education, inspiration, you name it.

I am not going to watch billions of Videos. Its not entirely ad free, just fewer ads, AFAIK sponsored segments remain so there are still ads, sometimes quite lengthy ones. $14/month is $168 an year, and if you subscribe to multiple other video services the annual total is going to be quite high.

YouTube is 10x the quality and 10x the quantity than any other video service.

As for the ads, YouTube Premium now has built-in sponsor skip. They can't really block sponsored segments, as that is a freedom of speech issue and also something they can't easily determine. Creators can just omit that some product is sponsored.

Re: SmartTube Compromised

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Post by carlosjobim »

londons_explore wrote: post #17
M4v3R wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is $14 dollars for ad-free, unlimited access to literally billions of videos really a steep price? Personally if I were to get rid of all but one of my media subscriptions I would stick with this one, since it's got everything - entertainment, education, inspiration, you name it.

14 dollars a month for a decade is $1680. To save $1680 I'd prefer to just use an adblocker (which I have done for the past decade)

The hacker boy one day came back from school panting, sweating and exhausted. His father asked him:

- What happened to you?

- I figured that if I ran behind the bus, I'll save the $3 dollars the ticket costs-

The hacker father smacked his son hard on the head and cried:

- You fool! To run behind a bus like that! You should have ran behind a taxi instead and you would have saved at least $50 dollars!

Then they both watched YouTube together the rest of the evening, thinking eagerly about all the juicy money they would save over the next decade.

Re: SmartTube Compromised

#74

Post by Kbelicius »

breakingcups wrote: post #29

The official announcement is very sparse on details. If the developer doesn't know how his digital signature (and update infrastructure?) was compromised, how does switching to a new signature help? It could get compromised in the exact same way.

The article linked here brings some more details, but also, the official statement doesn't use the word "compromised". If it did, well it would be a statement with different meaning than the one that was released for us to read.

Re: SmartTube Compromised

#75

Post by Zambyte »

prmoustache wrote: post #64
homebrewer wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You risk losing your entire Google account along with all documents, photos, mail, and whatever else you have there. Enough stories of this happening if you look around.

The risk always exist. Also are you really using same account for gmail, your personal pictures/docs and youtube?

> Also are you really using same account for gmail, your personal pictures/docs and youtube?

Most people use "sign in with Google" and tie their Google account to services well beyond the Google ecosystem, just to avoid creating a new entry in their password manager (lol). You think people are making new Google accounts for each Google service? That's hard for me to believe.

Re: SmartTube Compromised

#76

Post by Arbortheus »

GaryBluto wrote: post #6

It's kind of shocking to me that so many people would download an app like this and sign in using their actual YouTube account.

The cost of being brainwashed by ads and sponsor slots is also high.

Even with YouTube Premium you don’t get the feature set you get with SmartTube. The sponsor block integration on my TV is brilliant.

Re: SmartTube Compromised

#77

Post by hiccuphippo »

carlosjobim wrote: post #71
graemep wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not going to watch billions of Videos. Its not entirely ad free, just fewer ads, AFAIK sponsored segments remain so there are still ads, sometimes quite lengthy ones. $14/month is $168 an year, and if you subscribe to multiple other video services the annual total is going to be quite high.

YouTube is 10x the quality and 10x the quantity than any other video service. As for the ads, YouTube Premium now has built-in sponsor skip. They can't really block sponsored segments, as that is a freedom of speech issue and also something they can't easily determine. Creators can just omit that some product is sponsored.

Youtube is both 10x and 0.1x the quality, and the official app has no way to filter it. They even removed the feature (downvotes) to let the user filter it.

And the proliferation of AI videoslop is only making the 0.1x side larger and larger

Re: SmartTube Compromised

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Post by prmoustache »

Zambyte wrote: post #75
prmoustache wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk always exist. Also are you really using same account for gmail, your personal pictures/docs and youtube?

> Also are you really using same account for gmail, your personal pictures/docs and youtube? Most people use "sign in with Google" and tie their Google account to services well beyond the Google ecosystem, just to avoid creating a new entry in their password manager (lol). You think people are making new Google accounts for each Google service? That's hard for me to believe.

Not necessarily everyone but I would expect the population visiting hacker news to do so.

Re: SmartTube Compromised

#79

Post by hiccuphippo »

carlosjobim wrote: post #73
londons_explore wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

14 dollars a month for a decade is $1680. To save $1680 I'd prefer to just use an adblocker (which I have done for the past decade)

The hacker boy one day came back from school panting, sweating and exhausted. His father asked him: - What happened to you? - I figured that if I ran behind the bus, I'll save the $3 dollars the ticket costs- The hacker father smacked his son hard on the head and cried: - You fool! To run behind a bus like that! You should have ran behind a taxi instead and you would have saved at least $50 dollars! Then they both wa…

3 dollars is like a week of bus fares here and I remember a friend would walk back home from school to keep half the money.

Re: SmartTube Compromised

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Post by hansvm »

M4v3R wrote: post #12
dottjt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more shocking to people how much YouTube Premium costs.

Is $14 dollars for ad-free, unlimited access to literally billions of videos really a steep price? Personally if I were to get rid of all but one of my media subscriptions I would stick with this one, since it's got everything - entertainment, education, inspiration, you name it.

It's >12x the ad revenue they bring in per monthly-active YouTube user (suggesting they'd still be happy with a much lower price), and the price has increased 75% in the last decade (compared to the 40% real inflation over that period, suggesting they intend to continue increasing the price till public backlash or other effects reduce their total revenue). Plus they're boiling the frog, slowly adding ads back in to music and shorts for premium users, and we'll see how far that initiative goes.
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