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Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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> The test works by inserting a semantically important "needle" frame at random positions in long videos, which the system must then find and analyze. This seems to be somewhat unwise. Such an insertion would qualify as an anomaly. And if it's also trained that way, would you not train the model to find artificial frames where they don't belong? Would it not have been better to find a set of videos where something sp…

Yeah the needle in a haystack tests are so stupid. It seems clear with LLMs that performance degrades massively with context size, yet those tests claim the model performs perfectly.

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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> The test works by inserting a semantically important "needle" frame at random positions in long videos, which the system must then find and analyze. This seems to be somewhat unwise. Such an insertion would qualify as an anomaly. And if it's also trained that way, would you not train the model to find artificial frames where they don't belong? Would it not have been better to find a set of videos where something sp…

Yeah the needle in a haystack tests are so stupid. It seems clear with LLMs that performance degrades massively with context size, yet those tests claim the model performs perfectly.

As someone who abuses gemini regularly with a 90% full context, the model performance does degrade for sure but I wouldn't call it massively.

I can't show any evidence as I don't have such tests, but it's like coding normally vs coding after a beer or two.

For the massive effect, fill it 95% and we're talking vodka shots. 99%? A zombie who can code. But perhaps that's not fair when you have 1M token context size.

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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> The test works by inserting a semantically important "needle" frame at random positions in long videos, which the system must then find and analyze. This seems to be somewhat unwise. Such an insertion would qualify as an anomaly. And if it's also trained that way, would you not train the model to find artificial frames where they don't belong? Would it not have been better to find a set of videos where something sp…

That rather depends on exactly how this is done, although it's a useful upper bound for many tasks either way. You could say the same for images and yet due to the way some work they straight up cannot see in certain ways.

This could describe adding a frame of nonsense into an existing video.

It also could describe finding a semantically useful thing in an actual video, where the exact location is randomised by looking at different time crops of the video. For example, finding a book on a desk in a video that's only there in a panning shot, and you then see if it can find it in a 10s cut, 20s cut, 10 minute cut, etc, and near the start/middle/end.

Here's the paper: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2511.21631

> To evaluate the model’s capability in processing long-context inputs, we construct a video “Needle-ina-Haystack” evaluation on Qwen3-VL-235B-A22B-Instruct. In this task, a semantically salient “needle” frame—containing critical visual evidence—is inserted at varying temporal positions within a long video. The model is then tasked with accurately locating the target frame from the long video and answering the corresponding question. During evaluation, videos are uniformly sampled at 1 FPS, and frame resolution is dynamically adjusted to maintain a constant visual token budget.

This potentially sounds more like the former, but I can't find more accurate information on how this works.

Regardless I'd say again that while not the whole story things like this really are useful to know, and can be very important to test - it's really not a given that models can always find anything in their context window, perhaps even more so for video.

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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Insane if true... now I wonder, if I use it to go through some old dance routing video catalogue to recognize and write individual move lists

I have been looking for the same thing, either from Meta's SAM 3[1] model, either from things like the OP.

There has been some research specifically in this area with what appears to be classic ML models [2], but it's unclear to me if it can generalize to dances it has not been trained on.

[1] https://ai.meta.com/blog/segment-anything-model-3/

[2] https://arxiv.org/html/2405.19727v1

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just nitpicking here, but 1984 is a critique of totalitarianism. The only references to systems of government in the book refer to "The German Nazis and the Russian Communists". Orwell was a democratic socialist. He was opposed to totalitarian politics, not communism per se.

It's true that it's about totalitarianism to some extent. But we have Orwell's actual words here that it's chiefly about communism > [Nineteen Eighty-Four] was based chiefly on communism, because that is the dominant form of totalitarianism, but I was trying chiefly to imagine what communism would be like if it were firmly rooted in the English speaking countries, and was no longer a mere extension of the Russian For…

I think that Orwell understood his own people much more than Russians, so it might be useful, while reading him, to take a look at the mirror as well..

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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For anyone using Qwen3-VL: where are you running it? I had tons of reliability problems with Qwen3-VL inference providers on OpenRouter — based on uptime graphs I wasn’t alone. But when it worked, Qwen3-VL was pack-leading good at AI Vision stuff.

I’ve noticed that the open weight models have a lot of issues on OpenRouter. You get a lot of inconsistency in quality due to varying quants at least. I’ve had some seriously nonsensical responses from models that I can’t replicate at all when I switch providers. Lots that just randomly fail to handle requests too. I would recommend finding a provider that works best for your needs and pinning it.

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not difficult to hack this together with CLIP. I did this with about a tenth of my movie collection last week with a GTX 1080 - though it lacks temporal understanding so you have to do the scene analysis yourself

I'm guessing you're not storing the CLIP for every single frame, instead of every second or so? Also, are you using the cosine similarity? How are you finding the nearest vector?

I split per scene using pyscenedetect and sampled from each. Distance is via cosine similarity- I fed it into qdrant

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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Does anyone know how this actually was done? Like, did they export every frame as a PNG and then run them each one by one through the model? Or did they somehow "load" the video into the model directly (which then internally somehow steps through each frame?)

Re: Qwen3-VL can scan two-hour videos and pinpoint nearly every detail

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post #68

My favorite AI feature is to put a YouTube link in Gemini and ask it to summarize. Or even better: put the link of a 20min video "5 ways to" and ask "what are the 5 ways?" I think Gemini analyzes the transcription. Can I do the same for free with Qwen3?

I don't believe that it just analyzes the transcription. I asked Gemini to look at the youtube video referenced on the site below and "build" something that duplicates that device. It did a pretty good approximation that it could not have done without going through the full video.

https://bitsnpieces.dev/posts/a-synth-for-my-daughter/

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