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Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by UK-Al05 »

tapoxi wrote: post #19
galleywest200 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steam OS is a rolling release (Arch based) with constant small updates. My Steamdeck has had updates several times this year.

It's snapshotted from Arch, once a year they bump the kernel and include "updated Arch Linux base" as a release note. SteamOS 3.7 is still on Kernel 6.11 and KDE Plasma 6.2, for example. Bazzite is 6.17 and Plasma 6.5. This matters if you're using more recent hardware or want the latest driver optimizations. My 9070 XT is supported by Bazzite, SteamOS won't even boot.

I think that's changed recently. Recent release notes state it's added support for RDNA4

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by KyleGospo »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #59
xiconfjs wrote: post #42

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We can only hope Valve‘s new „console“ will hit the market strong so they have another levarage to push the studios to implement appropiate, linux compatible anti-cheat.

Anticheat doesn't need to be Linux compatible, it needs to move server-side.

Agree 100%, client side anti cheat was never going to work.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by KyleGospo »

tombert wrote: post #40

I just reinstalled my NixOS gaming thing with Jovian from scratch. Not much of a reason, other than I wanted to do things a bit more "correct" this time (e.g. tmpfs root). I did briefly consider Bazzite, but the thing that stopped me was that I wasn't sure how well it would work with an eGPU. With Jovian and NixOS, it is ultimately still just NixOS minimal under the covers, and that is low-level enough for me to play…

No kernel modules needed for eGPU, kargs are handled with one command, rpm-ostree kargs --help

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by _cenw »

KyleGospo wrote: post #70
haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

Hi, I'm the founder. While what you're saying isn't impossible, it's unlikely. In the event it did happen, Bazzite is a fork, a signing key, and a couple forked Fedora Copr repos away from being made completely in someone else's control.

I don't doubt it, but I actually really hate that the build system is a bunch of bash scripts, github actions and assuming the previous stage builds fine. Especially when the custom image forkable repo has an action commented out to squeeze more temporary storage out of GHA hosted runners because some images don't even fit on those (like the gnome-deck). I wish the entire setup was a little more decoupled and maybe allowed you to build multiple stages in one go so the entire system was more "forkable" and less spread out. I went on a bit of a wild goose chase trying to build Bazzite without the Firefox RPM removed (rpm-ostree doesn't like adding and removing and then adding packages again).

I did voice that concern in some Bazzite-related spaces before and it felt like it got brushed off with a weird undertone.

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

jsheard wrote: post #69
MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I hope that corporate rootkits will never be permitted on Linux in any form. Game studios need to learn that anticheat needs to live on the server side where it belongs.

Easier said than done for some genres, unfortunately. To catch things like aim assistance from the server-side you'd have to resort to handwavy statistical analysis and somehow thread the needle between catching well-crafted aimbots, but without accidentally banning legitimate players under any circumstances, even if they're extremely skilled and/or lucky. It's been tried but I don't think it's ever been very success…

That statistical analysis with post-facto game recordings could be pretty accurate, and needn't result in bans. In fact, I think banning cheaters is dumb. Instead, we should weight matchmaking algorithms to put cheaters all on the same servers. If they want to cheat, why not let them cheat against each other?

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by 0xakhil »

KyleGospo wrote: post #70
haunter wrote: post #21

As much as I love Bazzite at end of the day it's still a custom distro and every single day there is a chance they just close the project down and move on. Happened to so many distros in the past, this is not out of question. I’m not saying “big corporate” distros are better but personally I'd rather stick to something more mainline. Hopefully Valve will release a general version of SteamOS with Steam Machine coming…

Hi, I'm the founder. While what you're saying isn't impossible, it's unlikely. In the event it did happen, Bazzite is a fork, a signing key, and a couple forked Fedora Copr repos away from being made completely in someone else's control.

@KyleGospo, Any plans for an arm64 version?

Re: Bazzite: Operating System for Linux gaming

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Post by jsheard »

MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #77
jsheard wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easier said than done for some genres, unfortunately. To catch things like aim assistance from the server-side you'd have to resort to handwavy statistical analysis and somehow thread the needle between catching well-crafted aimbots, but without accidentally banning legitimate players under any circumstances, even if they're extremely skilled and/or lucky. It's been tried but I don't think it's ever been very success…

That statistical analysis with post-facto game recordings could be pretty accurate, and needn't result in bans. In fact, I think banning cheaters is dumb. Instead, we should weight matchmaking algorithms to put cheaters all on the same servers. If they want to cheat, why not let them cheat against each other?

Mistakenly hellbanning legitimate players wouldn't be much better than banning them outright. Either way you've got a justifiably angry customer.
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