And all the while, nothing is done to get old 2-stroke mopeds of the road in Europe. It’s such a low hanging fruit to get those hyper polluters out of cities but in an individualistic society, personal cult status seems more important than common health.
These seemed like the obvious EV conversion target to me before cars for Europe. Why have these not been converted to EV?
High air pollution could diminish exercise benefits by half – study
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Re: High air pollution could diminish exercise benefits by half – study
#72Hiking in the hills / mountains is one of the healthiest sports there is, unless you already have messed up legs. Or other mountain sports, but at least those I do have additional risks of injury or death that most folks would find unacceptable. Not everybody has easy access to mountains, but then we all forge our paths through life and at least at certain points of life we have some wiggle room to choose where to sp…
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
When everyone on this planet want to live like the average European or American heat pumps and EVs won't save you from pollution
To my knowledge air quality in Europe and the US is better than in many places where people aspire to live like the average European or American.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah it’d be cool if the phones had sensors. Everyone can see local AQI already though; weather app has AQI, and you can tap on it for a local region map, as well as a table of pollutant details.
the "local AQI" is usually from a single government sensor for 100 mile radius which is useless as pollution is highly localized (think neighbor idiots burning leaves all day) also doesn't tell you indoor air quality which where you sleep REALLY matters if the co2 is sky high best third party AQI network is PurpleAIR but even with them certain cities have few or none https://map.purpleair.com/air-quality-standards-us…
Air pollution, like numerous other things like water quality and medical care, is too big to be made into a individual decision.
Re: High air pollution could diminish exercise benefits by half – study
#75https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2025/nov/air-pollution-may-reduce... (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46084057)
https://www.euronews.com/health/2025/11/28/air-pollution-may...
Re: High air pollution could diminish exercise benefits by half – study
#76I want to pull two quotes from the article. > “Our findings emphasise that exercise remains beneficial even in polluted environments,” lead researcher Professor Po-Wen Ku said in a statement. [...] “We don’t want to discourage people from exercising outdoors,” said Co-author Professor Paola Zaninotto. The health effects of exercise outdoors are combined from two effects: - Positive effects due to exercise. These star…
Like I totally agree with encouraging exercise most places, but let’s be careful to not understate the risks of pollution. The paper states that above 35μg/m^3 of PM2.5 pollution, the protective benefits of exercise were “non-significant” against the increased risk of cancer, and they stopped measuring at 50μg/m^3. It’s reasonable to assume that above 50, it’s a net negative to exercise outdoors. There are lots of pl…
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
To my knowledge air quality in Europe and the US is better than in many places where people aspire to live like the average European or American.
Yes, because they're manufacturing all the shit we consume, that's my point.
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#78I wish more people paid attention to air quality. I'm a delivery driver and air quality has a noticeable effect on my energy levels throughout the day and also my mood. Slightly rainy days are probably my favorite days to work because no one is outside digging up roads and kicking up tire dust with leaf blowers and the rain seems to clean the air a bit.
As a motorcycle rider, it's always very noticeable. The stale air from the helmet coupled with the shit shit air from outside makes me very sleepy and you can develop a sore throat in a few hours
Re: High air pollution could diminish exercise benefits by half – study
#79And all the while, nothing is done to get old 2-stroke mopeds of the road in Europe. It’s such a low hanging fruit to get those hyper polluters out of cities but in an individualistic society, personal cult status seems more important than common health.
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#80And all the while, nothing is done to get old 2-stroke mopeds of the road in Europe. It’s such a low hanging fruit to get those hyper polluters out of cities but in an individualistic society, personal cult status seems more important than common health.
These seemed like the obvious EV conversion target to me before cars for Europe. Why have these not been converted to EV?
I do agree that they are highly annoying but the reality is that they are still in use because there is no real equivalency in the electric world.