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Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by Mashimo »

seu wrote: post #44
RamblingCTO wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pity: > Penpot Desktop loads the Penpot web application like a browser does. For offline use, the built-in local instance creator can set up and run a local Penpot instance via Docker (per the official self‑hosting guide).

Came here to complain about the same. I downloaded the app, but it needs an online account. What's the whole purpose of making it open source and downloadable, if it doesn't work offline?

The self hosted version needs an account outside your network?

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by falcor84 »

noduerme wrote: post #65
PaulRobinson wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little like "unlimited holidays". If you turn up on day 1 and then say "Right, I'm off on my unlimited holidays! See you never!" and disappeared, they would stop paying you. There is an implicit fair use clause in all unlimited offers - I know a guy who pushed back on "unlimited holidays" because he didn't want to get penalised in performance reviews and it turns out that in his UK-based org it was 29 days a y…

Hah. I'm a self employed freelancer, but a friend works for (MegaCorp Intl) and every time we go for beers he mentions that he has "Unlimited Paid Time Off" . But whenever I ask if that means he could take a few months to hike the Andes with me, he says.... well, no, actually they'd fire him if he took too much time. How much is too much? I ask. Well basically anything that would make them notice his absence, apparen…

And there's a problem in the other direction too - I don't expect people who really can leave for a few months without their absence being noticable to have much job security.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by Mashimo »

wltr wrote: post #46

So, Java instead of wasm, but open source. While LogSeq is an open source copycat (not really) of Obsidian, I simply can’t stand it. I have tried Penpot a couple of years back, so cannot say anything about it, with the exception that I noticed it’s Clojure. Would love to learn more if someone can comment on that. I guess I’m biased against Java, but I’m not experienced with it, so I may be very wrong on that one. Of…

At least the linked repository contains 0% Java.

Clojure 79.2%

JavaScript 7.2%

SCSS 6.0%

Rust 4.7%

HTML 1.4%

Shell 0.4%

Other 1.1%

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by closingreunion »

I feel like we are in a godlden age of foss tools that are reasonably competitive with existing proprietary incumbants.

I'm going to try to run an instance for my local creative community. If everyone chips in server costs and donation, then it would be huge savings for everyone.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by written-beyond »

poly2it wrote: post #66
PaulRobinson wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little like "unlimited holidays". If you turn up on day 1 and then say "Right, I'm off on my unlimited holidays! See you never!" and disappeared, they would stop paying you. There is an implicit fair use clause in all unlimited offers - I know a guy who pushed back on "unlimited holidays" because he didn't want to get penalised in performance reviews and it turns out that in his UK-based org it was 29 days a y…

The issue is that if storage is too cheap, people will inevitably mine filecoin on it. Additionally, promising "unlimited storage" and not holding that promise might be a legal liability.

I laughed but also hate the fact that the world needs to worry about "file coin" ruining it for us.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by noduerme »

falcor84 wrote: post #72
noduerme wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah. I'm a self employed freelancer, but a friend works for (MegaCorp Intl) and every time we go for beers he mentions that he has "Unlimited Paid Time Off" . But whenever I ask if that means he could take a few months to hike the Andes with me, he says.... well, no, actually they'd fire him if he took too much time. How much is too much? I ask. Well basically anything that would make them notice his absence, apparen…

And there's a problem in the other direction too - I don't expect people who really can leave for a few months without their absence being noticable to have much job security.

This is a corporate culture thing. I can be in the middle of nowhere for months, and it makes no difference to my clients. No one even notices. I have a phone that always rings, and laptop. I don't have a corporate health plan or a 401k but I don't have to ask permission..

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by sallveburrpi »

hk__2 wrote: post #68
Alupis wrote: post #12

You don't just have to self-host, they offer a hosted version that's far more reasonably priced than Figma[1]. Their free tier supports up to 8 members, limited to 10GB of storage. The next tier supports unlimited members, and is price-capped at $175 a month, but is limited to 25GB of storage. The final tier is price-capped at $950 a month, with unlimited storage. [1] https://penpot.app/pricing

For now. Mattermost too used to be cheaper than Slack, and Gitlab too used to be cheaper than GitHub. I know the story, "look we did X, the open-source Y" and two years in you now have two versions, the free and the "enterprise" one with exclusive features.

What would be a better way to fund large-scale open source projects in your opinion?

Please don’t say donations because that doesn’t work for something as complex as the projects you mentioned

Edit: ok there are some where it works like Blender - no idea how they do it though…

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by CuriouslyC »

hk__2 wrote: post #68
Alupis wrote: post #12

You don't just have to self-host, they offer a hosted version that's far more reasonably priced than Figma[1]. Their free tier supports up to 8 members, limited to 10GB of storage. The next tier supports unlimited members, and is price-capped at $175 a month, but is limited to 25GB of storage. The final tier is price-capped at $950 a month, with unlimited storage. [1] https://penpot.app/pricing

For now. Mattermost too used to be cheaper than Slack, and Gitlab too used to be cheaper than GitHub. I know the story, "look we did X, the open-source Y" and two years in you now have two versions, the free and the "enterprise" one with exclusive features.

Mattermost is nice but I lost some respect for them for a couple reasons:

1. Slightly worse product than Slack (if just for lack of connect) yet they're charging more for the cheapest license.

2. Gating reasonable OAuth support behind the paid version is crippleware

IMO they're gonna get forked, and they'll deserve it.

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by supermatt »

I really wanted to like penpot, but when I tried a few months ago, simply navigating between pages (even on the example documents) was causing parts of the document to change in bizarre ways. I didn't want that level of risk with documents I actually cared about, so continued to use figma. I guess it's time to give it another shot.

EDIT: still broken 8 months later :(

Re: Penpot: The Open-Source Figma

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Post by sallveburrpi »

noduerme wrote: post #76
falcor84 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And there's a problem in the other direction too - I don't expect people who really can leave for a few months without their absence being noticable to have much job security.

This is a corporate culture thing. I can be in the middle of nowhere for months, and it makes no difference to my clients. No one even notices. I have a phone that always rings, and laptop. I don't have a corporate health plan or a 401k but I don't have to ask permission..

But if you are still reachable you aren’t on time off… I also work remotely from anywhere; doesn’t mean I’m constantly on vacation
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