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EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

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Re: EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

#71

Good old salami tactics still work. Same goes for going way over target to then settle for your actual goal. Good old democracy at work.

Democracy is actually at work here: it's restraining somewhat the reptile-brained politicians behind chat control.

Re: EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

#73
post #72

One thing with chat control I don't get is why can't it be vetoed by a single member? That doesn't seem like part of regular trade policy competency of the EU

Even the Maastricht Treaty went beyond trade, though that does seem to have been the origin of the EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maastricht_Treaty

Re: EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

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>At the beginning of the month, the Danish Presidency decided to change its approach with a new compromise text that makes the chat scanning voluntary, instead. Hmm, so this will probably make the life for those who don't scan quite hard and if they experience a high profile scandal getting out of it will not be easy I assume. I'm not sure what to think of it, not being mandatory and requiring risk assessment sounds…

They have removed the backdoor paragraph, and inserted a new one that states that scanning is entirely voluntary and best effort, and also state that the EU cannot force them to scan.

As far as the mass surveillance scanning goes, it has completely been removed, and what remains is still the mandatory age checks, which might be problematic.

From reading the specification, it appears to be reasonably well designed, where identification is handled by authorities, and the requesting party cannot get your identification details, only send an "is the user of this session older than 18". The verifier cannot see which site the request comes from, and you identify yourself in the session, and a reply goes back to the requester with a "yes/no" answer.

So, it at least appears to be simply an age check, and not some sort of surveillance program to stalk your online browsing habits.

Re: EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

#75

Misleading title, the council approves their mandate for negotiations with parliament. It’s still a long way to go before it turns into law and I think it’s rather unpopular in parliament.

I think it's just the trialogue left, so still some distance but comfortably past halfway to becoming valid law.

There's been so much drama over the years about this proposal from the commission I doubt von der Leyen will want to fight to get the scanning back in.

Re: EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about going out in front of your city hall with a poster saying no-chat-control? You risk nothing, do you?

> What about going out in front of your city hall with a poster saying no-chat-control? Unorganized, individual acts cannot change anything in the EU. > You risk nothing, do you? Given the legislative maze the EU has become, you can't be sure of that, but you surely gain nothing. The conditions in Europe are quite specific, and in that environment, pan-EU legislation (except the customs union) should be optional for…

Individual acts can actually have more resonance, if carried out with conviction and commitment (and if the cause is just).

See Greta Thunberg; she might not have managed to save the planet yet, but she sure got the attention of the world (of course, however big a problem chat control is, climate change is a much bigger issue)

Re: EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

#78

Honest question. The EU was created as an economic and trade institution. How has it morphed into a wierd political institution, which NATO was already supposed to be? The root question: how did an organization that ushered in things like the Euro become a body that decides whether Europeans are allowed to have personal privacy?

You speak as if the EU is somehow divorced from the national governments, and is imposing its will to the helpless states that compose it. The commissioners that propose laws are appointed by each national government. The national governments of each member state is all in on this. NATO is not a political institution. It is a defense treaty (this one completely outside the realm of democracy).

A defence treaty is obviously a very political institution.

Re: EU Council approves Chat Control mandate for negotiation with Parliament

#79
post #52

Why follow the EU's press release instead of stating what's happening? The EU parliament voted - many times. They voted AGAINST having this law at all. The EU council is now threatening to fully override parliament, but "gives parliament another chance" to agree, in hopes this makes the member states more likely to cooperate. More correct would be to state the in power EU governments have decided to use the EU counci…

This is completely incorrect, the Parliament, the Council, and the Commission always come up with their own version of a proposed regulation (the Commission because they get to create new proposals, the other two because they have to react to comission proposal). Then all three parties sit down and negotiate a final text that becomes law.
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