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Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by paulgerhardt »

atlbeer wrote: post #44
s_henry_paulson wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm interested how you are using the product since it does not seem to be available to the public yet.

Well, I was interested as to why Lockitron had a pre-order page up as I own one as well. It's differently (visually) than the version that is on the website now but, it's certainly a Lockitron lock which I purchased almost a year ago. Looks like they are rebooting their company with a new model and fundraising via Kickstarter.

This is a pre-order page for the second iteration of Lockitron.

The new version comes with two-way communication, Bluetooth 4 for offline access, and a host of other features.

We're not taking money for pre-orders; we're establishing how many to make.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by jjb123 »

klochner wrote: post #60
atlbeer wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I was interested as to why Lockitron had a pre-order page up as I own one as well. It's differently (visually) than the version that is on the website now but, it's certainly a Lockitron lock which I purchased almost a year ago. Looks like they are rebooting their company with a new model and fundraising via Kickstarter.

Not quite - looks more like they're just launching a new product and taking pre-orders, no fundraising or rebooting.

They mention that they must sell 1,000 for them to go into production (near the bottom).

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by paulgerhardt »

trotsky wrote: post #21

relies on your phone working 2.4 Ghz your internet connection your power their datacenter their website software to avoid carrying a key? anyone in the area could easily ddos off your wireless more or less permanently by spamming disconnect. doesn't seem like a very good risk/reward ratio to me. whats the problem with a more traditional (read local) keyless approach? door too thick?

With the Bluetooth 4 radio it only relies on a Bluetooth 4 enabled device (like your phone) and the door lock itself.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by veemjeem »

trotsky wrote: post #63
eggbrain wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why use a car? Relies on: Gas to run You making sure everything is well maintained Expensive vs biking Auto mechanics needed if your car breaks down Anyone in your area could easily steal your car or explode it rendering it useless. Doesn't seem like a very good risk/reward ratio to me. Kidding aside, you must not have read very carefully, since it has NFC and Bluetooth as backups. The DDOS scenario would require a t…

wouldn't it be more like why make a coal driven steam engine when diesel models had been out for 30 years?

I don't understand why you're so negative. It's a new product that has new benefits, and new drawbacks. The same could be said about the calculator when it first came out. You couldn't even compute logarithms on the first calculator model, but the slide rule had no problems. Most people were faster using the slide rule so it felt like the calculator was a backwards technological progression.

Should we try to innovate on the calculator or go back to using slide rules?

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by icebraining »

catch23 wrote: post #50
apawloski wrote: post #13

Cool and interesting idea, but for obvious reasons* I have some slight reluctance with using a service like this for my home. For less valuable targets though -- like a conference room or shared workspace -- this is a really clever solution to sharing keys. *I hate it when people say that so I'll expand. Simply put, I'm worried about it getting hacked. For instance, could you gain access to someone's wifi and then fl…

probably not. it uses an arduino mega according to the video, so you'd need serial access to reprogram the arduino.

Unless you use the TFTP bootloader: http://arduino.cc/playground/Code/TFTPBootloader1

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by paulgerhardt »

catch23 wrote: post #58
savrajsingh wrote: post #5

We use lockitron at the Tigerlabs co-working space in Princeton. It's awesome! The provisioning, the ease of use, and the reliability are amazing. The team has done a great job of focusing on, and absolutely nailing the future-of-locks scenario. We've been happily using Lockitron 1 -- Lockitron 2 appears to eliminate the 'base station' and the custom lock, and now works with your existing lock. All Airbnb's and Co-wo…

Does the 4-AA batteries actually last a full year? I'm not sure how those batteries can maintain a steady wifi connection and survive for a full year. The lowest power wifi chips I know still draw 40mA in RX mode.

Continuously connected? No. We'd last about two weeks.

We poll infrequently during off hours and more frequently when people are likely to be coming and going. Knocking also wakes it up.

Bluetooth 4.0 gets us the rest of the way. It's instant for iPhone 4s and 5 users and we should have rudimentary support for the Android devices with BT4 by March.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by watty »

cs702 wrote: post #66

Great idea. However, I can't help but think that if Lockitron gains meaningful adoption, the various organized-crime groups operating on the web will try to hack the company's backend retrieve lock usage and location data or even gain the ability remotely to open customer locks. (Criminals already pay for stolen credit card information on the web; they would readily pay for lock usage and location data too. How valua…

Credit cards can be used by any thief, hacking tools cannot. A Lockitron hack tool would likely be more in the realm of Metasploit. I'm not saying there won't be hackers/thieves who could do it, just comparing to stolen credit cards is silly.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by paulgerhardt »

RandallBrown wrote: post #41
iAinsley wrote: post #12

Kickstarter project, without the kickstarter! It's kickstarter-lite. umm - did the value of Kickstarter just go down? ;)

I believe this is ACTUALLY a preorder, rather than an investment that includes a "prize" if they actually succeed.

It's so we know how many to make. We won't charge anyone's card until they are ready to ship.

Re: Lockitron: Keyless entry using your phone

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Post by veemjeem »

icebraining wrote: post #75
catch23 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

probably not. it uses an arduino mega according to the video, so you'd need serial access to reprogram the arduino.

Unless you use the TFTP bootloader: http://arduino.cc/playground/Code/TFTPBootloader1

Well, that one is only for the ethernet shield. I'm guessing you probably need more code for communicating over wifi or bluetooth and supporting wpa/wpa2.
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