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Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by johnisgood »

cassepipe wrote: post #41
johnisgood wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Within this context, how? I do not think it can be used to argue against laws in general. Plus we have a lot of experiences now about it setting a precedent and them coming for your beloved websites. It is not even debatable today.

Laws tend to set precedents (that may be used to justify other laws)

Yeah, so should we have something like Chat Control and more, similar regulation(s)? It really is not so far off from banning platforms. I remember when people were trash-talking China for doing this, and now "we" are doing the same thing we initially opposed. I suppose people may only start opposing it when it starts to affect them.

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Post by lm28469 »

johnisgood wrote: post #71
cassepipe wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laws tend to set precedents (that may be used to justify other laws)

Yeah, so should we have something like Chat Control and more, similar regulation(s)? It really is not so far off from banning platforms. I remember when people were trash-talking China for doing this, and now "we" are doing the same thing we initially opposed. I suppose people may only start opposing it when it starts to affect them.

"we" do what china did because they're beating us at our own games. It's "free market" until BYD shows up, it's "no regulations" until tiktok shows up

Allowing everything from everyone doesn't automagically make "us" the good guys

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by gnarlouse »

danielbln wrote: post #52
gnarlouse wrote: post #3

This doesn’t strike me as “bad”. Seeing the content on Twitch and how parasocial it is, it doesn’t seem healthy for kids under 18 tbh. Like Facebook was the craze when I was exiting highschool, and then it was instagram/snapchat/twitter through college. “Quitting” social media was one of the healthiest adult choices I ever made—comparison is the thief of joy, blah blah blah.

I see what you're saying, but it's a little bit ironic that you write this on a social media platform. Granted, a more niche and focused one with not all of the misgivings of the big platforms, but still.

1) Hence why i put “quitting” in quotes, I certainly still use YouTube,

2) but even as such I don’t consider HN to be a social media platform. It’s more of an RSS feed/forum + comments. Sure it’s a social media platform in the clinical definition. But there are no dark patterns AFAICT, no explicit advertisements to support funding, no corporate-powered psy-op campaigns to sway public opinion.

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by johnisgood »

lm28469 wrote: post #72
johnisgood wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, so should we have something like Chat Control and more, similar regulation(s)? It really is not so far off from banning platforms. I remember when people were trash-talking China for doing this, and now "we" are doing the same thing we initially opposed. I suppose people may only start opposing it when it starts to affect them.

"we" do what china did because they're beating us at our own games. It's "free market" until BYD shows up, it's "no regulations" until tiktok shows up Allowing everything from everyone doesn't automagically make "us" the good guys

> Allowing everything from everyone doesn't automagically make "us" the good guys

I never implied this, that would be silly on many fronts.

Are you in favor of Chat Control or not? Why?

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by cassepipe »

johnisgood wrote: post #71
cassepipe wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Laws tend to set precedents (that may be used to justify other laws)

Yeah, so should we have something like Chat Control and more, similar regulation(s)? It really is not so far off from banning platforms. I remember when people were trash-talking China for doing this, and now "we" are doing the same thing we initially opposed. I suppose people may only start opposing it when it starts to affect them.

I am also wary of things like government owned encryption backdoors and ChatControl, mostly because I feel like like society should be resilient to authoritarian takeovers (and they always seem to happen much faster than we would expect, we'll see if see the US gets another fair election in 2028)

I am just not swayed by the slippery slope argument because as someone else said, it can be used for anything.

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by johnisgood »

cassepipe wrote: post #75
johnisgood wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, so should we have something like Chat Control and more, similar regulation(s)? It really is not so far off from banning platforms. I remember when people were trash-talking China for doing this, and now "we" are doing the same thing we initially opposed. I suppose people may only start opposing it when it starts to affect them.

I am also wary of things like government owned encryption backdoors and ChatControl, mostly because I feel like like society should be resilient to authoritarian takeovers (and they always seem to happen much faster than we would expect, we'll see if see the US gets another fair election in 2028) I am just not swayed by the slippery slope argument because as someone else said, it can be used for anything.

Do we actually have a disagreement? I genuinely have no idea.

I do not care about Twitch and I consider Facebook outright harmful, but I do not think they should be banned. I have not fully read the article, but I bet it is "think of the children", a really old justification for "I want more control", a classic power grab.

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by crtasm »

oompty wrote: post #59
rhcom2 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least for Twitch that means they can't give money to streamers making a small country's GDP a month.

Almost all streamers have some thirdparty "tip/donation" system set up (usually streamelements/streamlabs via paypal or stripe, sometimes also giving some TTS effects on stream) so that's still possible.

>streamelements/streamlabs

I tried donating via one of these a while ago and got stopped by a requirement to link a Twitch account. Could you give an example of a donation page on there without that requirement?

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by kmfrk »

gnarlouse wrote: post #3

This doesn’t strike me as “bad”. Seeing the content on Twitch and how parasocial it is, it doesn’t seem healthy for kids under 18 tbh. Like Facebook was the craze when I was exiting highschool, and then it was instagram/snapchat/twitter through college. “Quitting” social media was one of the healthiest adult choices I ever made—comparison is the thief of joy, blah blah blah.

Twitch works overtime to drive people to spend as much time on streamers, which isn't good for either side. Caps on donations, especially based on age, would go a a long way.

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by isolli »

lukan wrote: post #46
isolli wrote: post #42

I wonder what the reasoning can be to ban Twitch and TikTok but not YouTube. Because I highly doubt that YouTube will ever be banned. Yet YouTube has shorts and a devilish algorithm, just like TikTok.

"The Australian government has so far named ten platforms to be included in the ban: Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, Threads, TikTok, X, YouTube, Reddit and streaming platforms Kick and Twitch. " Why do you think it is not included?

Because, to my knowledge, it's not included anywhere in Europe. A quick search seems to show that Australia would be the only country to do so. Thanks for the info!

Re: Streaming platform Twitch added to Australia's teen social media ban

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Post by squigz »

akimbostrawman wrote: post #67
squigz wrote: post #61

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> A shop showing pornography openly or use of various sex fetish toys while selling also bread is still inaccessible to any kid, so thats a pretty weak argument. Worst defines the overall situation. A more appropriate analogy would be a shop with a clearly marked and separate "Adults Only section" > these steps are good or at least well-intended. I might agree that they're well-intended - but the road to hell is pave…

>shop with a clearly marked and separate "Adults Only section" But it's not. Most of them don't even have the useless "are you +18" yes/no button. They are literally featured and recommended on the homepage.

Where though? I just browsed the homepage a bit and didn't see any porn :(
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