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Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

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Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

#71
post #48

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Stand-by drone-intercepting drones? Tracking them is a need first and foremost. How about a down-facing radar on top of the Aviation Control Tower?

I think the issue is response time. Once a drone has been spotted notifying the correct person and getting the drone started would take a few minutes I assume. Furthermore you can't really deploy a drone at an airport while it is still active, which is the reason they are banned from operating there in the first place.

I was about to counter your first part with automatic detection and drone launching, but your second point makes sense.

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

#72
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the issue is response time. Once a drone has been spotted notifying the correct person and getting the drone started would take a few minutes I assume. Furthermore you can't really deploy a drone at an airport while it is still active, which is the reason they are banned from operating there in the first place.

I was about to counter your first part with automatic detection and drone launching, but your second point makes sense.

From the other comments I believe that tracking to identify the operator and launch site together with automated targetted jamming are the most effective solution. I don't know if such a system exists already and if it is quick enough to react without interferring with airport operations.

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

#73
post #42

The fact that these drones are only appearing in NATO aligned countries makes it seem pretty obvious to me that it's one of two possibilities. 1) Russian sabre-rattling 2) NATO countries running "secret" drills in public in anticipation of 1) The UFO community is of course running with a third option that doesn't warrant any seriousness.

If you take into account the silence from officials and politicians then 2) seems more likely.

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

#74

The way the german government reacts to this makes it pretty easy for any lone actor to do state level damage.

That's why I don't understand why there isn't a more aggressive response to flying drones illegally near airports. IMO they should just be shot down. Actually some years they were very proudly showing birds of prey that they had trained to do just that. Whatever happened to that? After 9/11 there was a huge worldwide shift in e.g. airplane security due to the threat of terrorism, but now there's drones out there they…

> That's why I don't understand why there isn't a more aggressive response to flying drones illegally near airports. IMO they should just be shot down.

This isn't allowed in most countries, so they usually also have no equipment for this. Some countries seem to have changed the laws recently for this case and building up on defence more openly now. Which also leaves space for speculations if this wasn't maybe also sometimes a false-flag-operation.

> Actually some years they were very proudly showing birds of prey that they had trained to do just that. Whatever happened to that?

They are trained for small slow commercial drones, those which are around the same size as the bird, or smaller. Military long-range-drones are usually a bit bigger and faster, meaning the bird could probably for simply reason of physic not doing much.

This probably is also a main problem here, that most drone-defences in the last years were developed against private actors, not military threats.

> but now there's drones out there they can fly into planes or that can drop bombs they're doing... what? Mentioning it in the news?

It's never been a real threat so far, so nobody really was working on it seriously. There is an endless amount of theoretical threats, you can't protect everything against all of them, you have to go case by case. But reacting takes time. This is going for just some months(?), and still not even a real threat, as nobody knows anything for real (as far as we know). But many things seem happening in secret, outside the public view.

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

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post #42

The fact that these drones are only appearing in NATO aligned countries makes it seem pretty obvious to me that it's one of two possibilities. 1) Russian sabre-rattling 2) NATO countries running "secret" drills in public in anticipation of 1) The UFO community is of course running with a third option that doesn't warrant any seriousness.

What I don't understand is... is it really only NATO aligned countries?

Maybe I just didn't read the article well enough.

In the USA we get over 100 drone sightings near airports per month. ( https://www.faa.gov/uas/resources/public_records/uas_sightin...? ) ( we are certainly 'NATO aligned', but it's the easiest source of drone incursion records I could find )

What about Asian countries? African Countries? Does the EU have better drone detection? Does the EU overreact due to the current tension levels within the EU?

the whole article reads like a FUD-laced sales pitch for gathering public support for an expensive anti-drone tech. There's even a whole section talking about how it will be a 'financially controversial question'. The article starts with fearmongering around the drones not having explosives 'yet'.

Maybe there are normal or slightly elevated levels of drone incursion due to idiots with access to cheap drones. Maybe the drone-wall vendor working with their partners within the EU saw an opportunity to exploit fear to gather support

edit: I tried to get data for the EU similar to what the FAA produces. I failed. Chatgpt says there "maybe" reason to believe in a recent spike in sightings. I am maybe overly cautious about trusting that a spike is indeed happening and it has hostile intent. I am reminded of the mass delusion in New Jersey of the 'drone sightings' that ended up being nothing interesting.

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

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If you make a bold claim like that I hope you have the sources to back it up. News outlets spreading misinformation is a criminal act; it was in the UK's 2003 Communications Act [0] and has been updated in the 2023 Online Safety Act [1], with some people already having been convicted [2] for spreading misinformation. [0] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/21/section/127 [1] https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga…

Exactly, there's a difference between spreading information that is factually incorrect and reporting (or not reporting) information in a way that is misleading.

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

#77
post #53

Have they been conclusively spotted? With evidence? Sorry I only skimmed the article. Until there is, I’m going to keep believing it’s some sort of mass delusion like UFO sightings. Not because I think some sort of drone attack is particularly unlikely, but because these sorts of mass delusions are evidently very common - like happened in New Jersey.

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Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

#78
post #50

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How do you expect to shoot them down? They are small and very quick and disappear shortly after appearing.

Jammers work pretty well. I would expect most large airports would have a defense response. They would have the tools setup to one instantly identify and track said drones come within the space and two have the tools like the portable jammers to “shoot” it down. These tools are not that expensive and exist from multiple vendors. I would have expected this to be table stakes at running large busy airports.

> Jammers work pretty well.

On publics airports? Where planes have to land all the time? Can they be pinpointed exactly on one specific target without disturbing the others? And this is assuming there even is a remote-control to jam.

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

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I’ve never heard anyone say this. Source?

I'm also curious, why would Russia continue to send thousands to their deaths while holding back supplies and stuff? Unless it's intentional to appear weaker than they are. But I don't see how that would work, unless the US is intentionally witholding intel from their allies - the US, since the invention of spaceflight, has had spy sattelites trained at Russia and they would see large accumulations and transports of…

Ok I spent the last hour looking for this interview and I honestly can't find it - the closest I can get to the source is this article saying that Russia is building a strategic reserve of tanks:

https://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/7%2C114881%2C3206584...

But it's not the one I read which was literally a general saying "they are building tanks and not sending them to the front - why if not to fight with NATO eventually".

Re: Mysterious drones have been spotted at airports across Europe

#80
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jammers work pretty well. I would expect most large airports would have a defense response. They would have the tools setup to one instantly identify and track said drones come within the space and two have the tools like the portable jammers to “shoot” it down. These tools are not that expensive and exist from multiple vendors. I would have expected this to be table stakes at running large busy airports.

How quickly can you deploy a portable jammer? The drone might have disappeared until you have done so already. So you definitelly need automated systems for detection and targetting, which will probably take time until they are widely available.

They make hand helds that can be used without human LOS with something like 3km range. You don’t definitely need automated systems but obviously that would be probably more bullet proof.
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