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Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by matt_kantor »

yard2010 wrote: post #15
a2tech wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume marketing. I’m wondering what will happen when they force the afghan refugees back over the border into Afghanistan since they don’t have the water to give them. Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival.

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Why not both? I'm no expert, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_in_Iran (and its sources) indicate that climate change is part of the problem.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by gus_massa »

magicalhippo wrote: post #19
malfist wrote: post #13

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Governments spending money on something doesn't mean it works. Bridges to nowhere are totally a thing

> Bridges to nowhere are totally a thing Come on now. It's not nowhere, there's 24 people living on that island, of course that's worth building a $45 million bridge for them[1]. (just the latest silly bridge project here in Norway) [1]: https://www.nrk.no/nordland/nordland-fylkesrad-vil-bygge-bro...

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> However, there are only 24 permanent residents and five active farms on Hamnøya. Therefore, there is regular transport of tankers, concentrate feed and livestock trucks.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamn%C3%B8ya,_Vevelstad

> Hamnøya is an island in Vevelstad Municipality in Nordland county, Norway. The 16.6-square-kilometre (6.4 sq mi) island lies about 500 to 700 metres (0.3 to 0.4 mi) off shore from the mainland of the municipality, separated by the Vevelstadsundet strait. The island is only accessible by boat and in 2021 it had 35 permanent residents living on the island.

I'm not sure if it's cheaper to upgrade both posts, but a bridge doesn't look so silly.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by Thlom »

energy123 wrote: post #63
rjzzleep wrote: post #26

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They're building nukes? Awesome, looks like you have more information than the IAEA. Unless of course you're talking about the same Ayatollah bomb that Iran almost has since 1984[1]. The drones are produced by Russia btw. You know, kinda how you guys keep saying that you'll punish China for supplying components for them. Meanwhile every single drone that Ukraine uses is built with either Chinese components or is a mo…

Israel also said Pakistan was trying to build nukes, but they were stopped by the Indian PM in the 1980s from launching a preventive attack. The silver lining is that we don't have to suffer the internet commentators saying "Pakistan has been weeks away from nukes for fifty years!" You can choose to put your head in the sand about a theocracy that enriches uranium to 60%, holds up mushroom clouds in their protests, a…

Iran can of course build a nuke in a relatively short timespan if they want to, but for a range of reason they have made the decision not to. Perhaps they should have built a nuke, if they had one Israel and the US wouldn't have bombed them.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by waps »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #54
a2tech wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume marketing. I’m wondering what will happen when they force the afghan refugees back over the border into Afghanistan since they don’t have the water to give them. Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival.

> Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival. For those unfamiliar, climate change and drought are believed to be one of the major causes of the bronze age civilization collapse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Bronze_Age_collapse#Droug...

In Iran the cause of the water shortage is at least 99.9% the current government's policies. If global warming accelerated matters it was by days or weeks probably.

But you have to admit it would be very funny if a theocracy was forced to abandon it's capital by forces of nature.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by londons_explore »

perhonen wrote: post #60
unwise-exe wrote: post #36

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>>> How should we think about cloud seeding? It's a way to take someone else's rain.

who owns the rain? what if it was just going to fall in the oceans?

Less rain than you'd imagine falls on the oceans, due to the land having varying elevation and temperature, whilst the oceans have far more constant elevation and temperature so the conditions needed for rain happen less.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by londons_explore »

a2tech wrote: post #7
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #6

Earlier today I watched a video[0] that helped contextualize the water situation in Iran. The key takeaway for me was that Iran has been rapidly depleting their water reserves and they don't have any ways to quickly refill them, nor do they have treaties with neighboring countries to guarantee water. That video doesn't mention cloud seeding at all. How should we think about cloud seeding? Does this technology actuall…

I assume marketing. I’m wondering what will happen when they force the afghan refugees back over the border into Afghanistan since they don’t have the water to give them. Climate change and bad decisions from the last 50 years are starting to bite now. It’ll just get worse. Expect migrations and countries collapsing as millions of people are pushed to migrate for survival.

Drinking water is such a tiny proportion of total water use that it is essentially irrelevant.

Water for farming and power stations are the things that will be hit first.

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Post by logicchains »

mattmaroon wrote: post #70
Retric wrote: post #51

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If you own water rights, selling them to a city at near desalination rates is way more profitable than farming. So desalination only makes economic sense after removing all farms from an area.

Well, if you’re selling the water at rates that aren’t below cost farms will remove themselves. Desalination is cheap enough for humans to live and do most work things, it’s hard to imagine it ever being cheap enough for farming.

Dubai has farms fed on desalinated water and the food they produce is still cheaper than imported equivalents.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by varjag »

rjzzleep wrote: post #26
sva_ wrote: post #17

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They're building nukes? Awesome, looks like you have more information than the IAEA. Unless of course you're talking about the same Ayatollah bomb that Iran almost has since 1984[1]. The drones are produced by Russia btw. You know, kinda how you guys keep saying that you'll punish China for supplying components for them. Meanwhile every single drone that Ukraine uses is built with either Chinese components or is a mo…

Iran supplies Shahed long range drones to Russia for years now. They became their staple of terror bombings since.

They are also deployed domestic production of them in Russia but a substantial amount of components (foremost motors) still delivered from Iran. If you look at the chart of Russian Shahed launches you can see a lagging dip in early August after Israel's bombing of Iran in June.

Re: Iran begins cloud seeding operations as drought bites

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

mabedan wrote: post #77

What is the deal with the image of the article ? Mosques are as empty in Iran as churches are empty in the west. Yes the government is tightly coupled with religion, but this image isn’t representative of Iran at all.

Are there any good books which layout out the true state of Iran on the ground today?
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