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A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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If anybody wants to read a comic with the perspective of someone that went through one of these places and spent the years after fighting against them, I stumbled upon this one a few years ago: https://elan.school/ I am not in any way affiliated with the author, it's just one of the few books with real content that I've read in a long time.

Great comic and there's a documentary about that place. Very messed up that's it's a whole child abuse industry.

Might take a karma hit for this, but whatever. Its the truth.

Christians are more concerned about *causing* extreme child abuse, and then turning around and claiming its to "save them", so the abuse isnt reallllly abuse.

Most of these camps cited are christian. And the people running them? Dogmatic christian fundamentalists. And these are the same types that run "pray the gay away" camps too.

And my inflammatory, albeit true comment also goes right back to the heart of the article:

"Reformatories were institutions where girls and young women who refused to conform to the Franco regime's Catholic values were detained - single mothers, girls with boyfriends, lesbians. Girls who'd been sexually assaulted were incarcerated, assuming the blame for their own abuse. Orphans and abandoned girls might also find themselves living behind convent walls."

Extremist Roman Catholic "values", demonization and imprisonment of 'unruly women', anti-LGBTQ. Same damned thing, again and again.

When are we going to actually look at these issues dispassionately and realize that religion itself is the problem?

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"Soon, Mariona joined her new friends on "raids": a few of them would block off a street, throw Molotov cocktails, hand out leaflets, and when the police turned up, scatter in every direction." okay she threw molotov cocktails, she was lucky she wasn't imprisoned.

A) She was still a child. B) She was imprisoned, repeatedly, and tortured, as the article discusses. C) Is it your opinion that everyone was "lucky" to live in 1968 Spain under Franco. Or just her?

Nobody wanted her tortured except the criminals torturing her.

Throwing Molotov cocktail is trivially an criminal offense. OP is making it clear that framing it as she was a “free spirit” is ridiculous.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

#73
post #26

Similar stories were used to shut down mental hospitals in the U.S. and look what happened after that.

What happened? And please, make sure to demonstrate your position empirically, specifically drawing a causal relationship between shutting down torturous mental institutions and whatever outcome you think that has.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Damn, my whole country must be guilty of neglect then!

Lol this is the USA. I've been interrogated when a stranger drove past my rather remote property, in the middle of nowhere, and saw that my child was walking about 50 feet "by herself" on her own fucking property(I was actually watching her, just from further away, so I was able to intervene before they called CPS). Welcome to America where you must watch the kid every second until they turn 18, except at the moment…

>Welcome to America where you must watch the kid every second until they turn 18

This must be a regional thing?

I live in New England and I always see kids out and about with no adults around supervising. Especially from 1-3PM on weekdays when school lets out. Maybe a side-effect of walkable infrastructure.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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A familiar story even today in the U.S: https://time.com/6997172/teen-torture-max-abuse-documentary/ “They are often a last resort for parents struggling with children with behavioral problems, suicidal thoughts, and substance abuse issues. Depending on the state, these rehab centers—a multi-billion-dollar industry—have few regulations, and there are no overarching federal standards governing them. Many are faith-bas…

Meanwhile, we have a crisis in the U.S. of people sleeping and dying in the streets because we shut down all the mental hospitals and involuntary commitment. Every system will have some percentage of adverse outcomes. Approaching the issue emotionally instead of dispassionately and with a view towards typical outcomes is an anti-social and dangerous approach.

The purpose of a system is what it does.

You seem to believe that these are adverse, uncommon, and unintended outcomes rather than part of the machinery of the troubled teen industry, the school-to-prison pipeline, poverty, and capitalist/protestant propaganda in general. Involuntary commitment would be a threat and weapon in the current political environment, as in the thread OP where the same was used in Francoist Spain.

Perhaps you should investigate your own biases and emotions toward the people chewed up and spit out by society before calling out a comment as "emotional" and "anti-social".

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I think there are points on both sides. I think you're right that the BBC is being irresponsible in putting "my mum was a 17-year-old free spirit" in the headline -- even though it's a quote, it does imply a level of BBC editorial agreement with the characterization. It makes her sound like she was just an innocent hippie or something. On the other hand, this wasn't vandalism for vandalism's sake. It was political pr…

Violence isn’t speech. Calling Molotov cocktailing a street “protest” is absurd. It’s effectively armed conflict.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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Yeah I don't think anyone thinks this was a good program, but saying someone performing acts of terrorism is just 'a free spirit' is a bit... BBC of them.

One person's terrorist against the Franco government is another person's freedom fighter against the Franco regime.

Re: A new documentary about the history of forced psychiatric treatment in Spain

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post #65

what is this thread people supporting a totalitarian fascist regime, blaming the victim... "Shouldn't fight against the regime, violence is bad mmmkay"... "she threw molotov cocktails, she deserved it"... what is happening, i feel like i'm taking crazy pills

I don't know why you're surprised. This place is primarily about making money. Businesses are set up like tiny little fascist dictatorships. They are always trying to pay less taxes, evade regulations, layoff workers, monopolize, destroy competitors etc. They don't know anything about the public sphere, or common good, or government, or democracy, or rule of law etc. They suck at that, it goes against all their train…

You're not wrong about the strong emphasis on money making and profitability in HN comments (it was started as much as a forum for startup or wannabe startup founders as a tech forum), but it's also had a significant libertarian (little-l) streak. It's kind of hard to square that libertarianism with the apparent support of Franco's regime seen in the comments here today.

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> Just the continued normalization of antisocial people as somehow being the victims of society instead of being the ones perpetuating harm on society.

Opposing an actual fascist dictatorship isn't particularly "antisocial". Unless your definition of "social" is blind obedience even as your family members and friends are harmed, killed, or disappeared by the government.

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