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Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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What software will those Nvidia servers run? Are they creating their own software stack or working with one or more partners?

They have a Ubuntu derivative called DGX OS, that they use on their current lines.

I wonder which [publicly listed] companies would look at the abandonment of Jetson and still commit to having Nvidia set the depreciation schedule for them.

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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Are TPU’s a bad business model?

Customers are increasingly wary of building their business on someone else's land because they've seen it happen too many times that once you're locked in the price goes up, or the company who is now your only viable supplier decides to enter your own market. And at least if anyone can buy the hardware you'll have your own or have multiple competing providers you can lease it from. If you can only lease it and only f…

This might be the source of the AI bubble burst, just like the 2000 bubble. Eventually someone's gonna raise the price to cover a bill and suddenly everyone looks at actual revenue and power bills , calculates within 6 months they'll not get their MBA turnip squeezed bonus and walk away

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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That's one way to arrive at an IBM Mainframe like model I guess. It'll work until you can buy comparable expansion cards for open systems (if history is any guide).

Yep, tech is incredibly circular. Once Nvidia gets there is highly probable that "disruptive" competition will apear due to mere desire/pressure for more freedom and options (and knowing NVDA, also costs).

AMD is already knocking on the same door. If they had focused more on drivers it'd be an equal comparison.

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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Nvidia already sells servers? What I don't really get, is that Nvidia is worth like $4.5T on $130B revenue. If they want to sell servers, why don't they just buy Dell or HP? If they want CPUs want not buy AMD, Qualcomm, Broadcom or TI? (I know they got blocked on their ARM attempt before the AI boom) Their revenue is too low to support their value, shouldn't they use this massive value to just buy up companies to up…

But nVidia already sells servers (NVL72), and CPUs (Grace). Why buy a bunch of overlapping companies? And no sane regulator on the planet will allow them to takeover AMD, Qualcomm, or Broadcom.

Lucky for them Americans have recently gone insane.

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are TPU’s a bad business model?

Customers are increasingly wary of building their business on someone else's land because they've seen it happen too many times that once you're locked in the price goes up, or the company who is now your only viable supplier decides to enter your own market. And at least if anyone can buy the hardware you'll have your own or have multiple competing providers you can lease it from. If you can only lease it and only f…

Lock-in is a valid concern, but on the other hand, for many apps, it seems like this can be fairly easily mitigated? If you can swap in a different LLM, I don't think it matters if it's running on Google TPU's or NVidia?

Meanwhile, at the hardware level, TPU's provide some competition for NVidia.

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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post #64

Nvidia already sells servers? What I don't really get, is that Nvidia is worth like $4.5T on $130B revenue. If they want to sell servers, why don't they just buy Dell or HP? If they want CPUs want not buy AMD, Qualcomm, Broadcom or TI? (I know they got blocked on their ARM attempt before the AI boom) Their revenue is too low to support their value, shouldn't they use this massive value to just buy up companies to up…

But nVidia already sells servers (NVL72), and CPUs (Grace). Why buy a bunch of overlapping companies? And no sane regulator on the planet will allow them to takeover AMD, Qualcomm, or Broadcom.

A $1m dinner at Mar-a-Lago will take care of that.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/09/nx-s1-5356480/nvidia-china-ai...

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Customers are increasingly wary of building their business on someone else's land because they've seen it happen too many times that once you're locked in the price goes up, or the company who is now your only viable supplier decides to enter your own market. And at least if anyone can buy the hardware you'll have your own or have multiple competing providers you can lease it from. If you can only lease it and only f…

Lock-in is a valid concern, but on the other hand, for many apps, it seems like this can be fairly easily mitigated? If you can swap in a different LLM, I don't think it matters if it's running on Google TPU's or NVidia? Meanwhile, at the hardware level, TPU's provide some competition for NVidia.

But then what's the case for making them Google-exclusive instead of selling the hardware to anyone who wants to buy one?

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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Can anyone comment on wafer-scale systems, multiple equivalent chips on an entire wafer? Seems like where things are heading?

Only Cerebras is doing wafer-scale. It seems to be working for them but no one is copying them. The minimum unit (one wafer) costs millions and it's not clear how good their multi-wafer scaling is.

A 300mm wafer on a recent process node (TSMC N3) is estimated to be around $20k at quantity[1]. I don't know what kind of testing and crazy packaging processes would cost for a wafer-scale chip, but I can't imagine it would put the price anywhere near the millions.

[1]: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/tsmcs-wafer-prici...

Re: Nvidia is gearing up to sell servers instead of just GPUs and components

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We already pay a 100% premium on AWS.

At least that premium is not directly proportional to our revenue.

Good callout. However, nothing says Nvidia would adopt this margin tactic either.
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