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Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by bigyabai »

stavros wrote: post #47
bigyabai wrote: post #27

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You can be wrong or you can be an ass, but, unfortunately, you're both.

What's your magic solution, then? Tattle to the FTC? Beg the President to reign in Tim Apple before he manifests the antichrist?

I'm afraid you're the wrong one here, this is our fealty to Apple paid back in due. If I have to be an ass to get people to stop buying surveillance slopware, so be it. You have no other option at this point, I'm not going to canvas for your rights as an Apple customer in 2025. This is what you support when you give them your money, enjoy!

Edit: I am addressing the OP's point. You called me wrong - I am defending my original point to OP, while illustrating why your dismissal is not relevant to the discussion.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by stavros »

bigyabai wrote: post #71
stavros wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be wrong or you can be an ass, but, unfortunately, you're both.

What's your magic solution, then? Tattle to the FTC? Beg the President to reign in Tim Apple before he manifests the antichrist? I'm afraid you're the wrong one here, this is our fealty to Apple paid back in due. If I have to be an ass to get people to stop buying surveillance slopware, so be it. You have no other option at this point, I'm not going to canvas for your rights as an Apple customer in 2025. This is what…

Wrong assumptions in your comments:

1. I'm an Apple customer.

2. I live in the US.

3. It's a free market.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by 0x457 »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #40
alberth wrote: post #28

As an aside, I've been using TSA Touchless at select airports. It's pretty slick. No ID, nor Board Pass needed. Just walk up to TSA, and only facial recognition is needed. It's extremely fast too. https://www.tsa.gov/touchless-id

Now that we’ve got ice walking around with an app that uses facial recognition to determine if you’re a citizen, fuck the facial recognition stuff. This tech should be out of government hands.

> Now that we’ve got ice walking around with an app that uses facial recognition to determine if you’re a citizen, fuck the facial recognition stuff. This tech should be out of government hands.

When I was in LAX last week, facial recognition on entry was only for US citizens anyway, and for it to work they need to take a photo of you when you're leaving. I don't see how it helps ICE in any way, plus it's handled by CBP.

Also, it didn't work on me, because I left clean shaved and returned with a beard.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by dzhiurgis »

sublimefire wrote: post #14

There was a post from trailofbits blog recently about how passport crypto works. Kind of related here. I wonder if this is some zero knowledge proofs here or what? Reading the passport and its chip implies some terminal authentication capabilities coming from Apple devices. Passport would not allow reading sensitive data from the chip unless the terminal is valid. Another question is if Apple is allowed to read your…

I still find it bonkers reading passport doesn't validate it against it some centralised database. Like, $1 in your bank account and a credit card is more advanced than a passport.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by dzhiurgis »

willio58 wrote: post #4

I’m still waiting for the day where 100% of state drivers licenses are supported in wallet and anyone requesting ID are required to accept them. Quite literally the only reason I have a wallet these days is for the drivers license.

I've been stopped by cops maybe once per 10 year. In that case I'm happy to pay $50 fine for failing to present license which they can check on their database anyway.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by 0x457 »

pat2man wrote: post #68
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #34

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You have to show ID to vote in my country, I thought that was the normal thing.

We don't have a national ID here in the US. Passports can be quite expensive. Local state ID cards don't prove citizenship.

> Passports can be quite expensive.

It's $165 per 10 years if you don't lose it or $65 if you just need in place of national ID (i.e. no international travel). I think anyone can save up that much in 10 years, renewals a bit cheaper btw.

> Local state ID cards don't prove citizenship.

No, but to get a Real ID in any state you have to prove you're in the country legally, and in some states to get any form of ID you have to prove that.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by drdaeman »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #61
drdaeman wrote: post #50

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No party in the US seem to fight for a secure (end-to-end auditable) voting process. I've yet to hear any politician talk about anything like that, a process where no voter has to trust the system and can be still confident (assuming they understand the underlying math) their vote was counted and counted correctly. It is true that every scheme out there (that I've read about) has some flaws. But I'd rather have NSA s…

The reason is nobody trusts a single party to implement that honestly. Last time I checked, Party X only cared about Party Y’s voters who are voting illegally. They’re perfectly fine with their voters doing it. Technology is a tool against corruption not a cure for it.

Sure, but that's the point of an end-to-end auditable system so you don't have to trust whoever implements it. The whole idea is that no crooks can make math work any differently than it does.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by dzhiurgis »

blackqueeriroh wrote: post #64
baggy_trough wrote: post #38

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In the United States, getting an ID is expensive and time-consuming and is often inaccessible to many people, particularly those who don’t speak English, are poor, or work service jobs. These people are the same people who are historically marginalized and oppressed. This is why voter ID laws in the United States are fundamentally anti-democratic and disenfranchising. If IDs were free and incredibly easy to get, I wo…

How do they buy alcohol?

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by op00to »

0x457 wrote: post #69
throw0101d wrote: post #22

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> I am never handing my phone to a cop. The point is that you don't have to: > To present a Digital ID in person, users can double-click the side button or Home button to access Apple Wallet and select Digital ID. From there, they can hold their iPhone or Apple Watch near an identity reader, review the specific information being requested, and use Face ID or Touch ID to authenticate. "hold … near … review" If you're…

> If you're (e.g.) buying alcohol, then the "specific information" would be your birthday, and that is all that would be sent over. Unless there is a very tight control over this - lol nope. Big stores will request as much as they can to target you with ads.

You could then decide not to buy the alcohol. Unless you are severely addicted, you will not die if you don't purchase alcohol.

Re: Digital ID, a new way to create and present an ID in Apple Wallet

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Post by op00to »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #30
bitpush wrote: post #15

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I get what you're saying, but if you think of it what we're doing today - handing over the one and only official piece of document to a) cop b) club bouncer etc. They can hold onto it, and never return it. They can deface it. All of that is a possibilty. You could argue, a sufficiently locked down phone is a better alternative. If they do something, you'll only lose $$

If I lose a piece of ID, I've lost a piece of paper/plastic. I'm inconvenienced, but can easily get a replacement and have the original invalidated.

> have the original invalidated.

I once had three valid drivers' licenses, because my wallet was stolen (later returned), and I left my ID at a bar. All three were valid for use at the same time despite being reported lost/stolen - they had identical barcodes, etc.

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