Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

cacm.acm.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

71–80 of 119 posts

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#71

Post by kbrkbr »

keiferski wrote: post #59

Very generic weak article, as many others have said. I spent a lot of time studying Nietzsche in college (while getting a degree in philosophy) and it is pretty annoying how the pop culture conception of his ideas has so little to do with what he actually wrote. I think Nietzsche would find the “entrepreneurial” rebranding of his ideas to be irritating and frankly not the audience he wanted. He was writing for a very…

But why would we care what Nietzsche would think and for whom he wrote?

That idea seems to rest on a very narrow and philosophically contested understanding of the nature of the work of an author.

Eco, to take one of the more uncontroversial figures in tradition, holds that you can understand an author better than he himself did.

Nietzsche himself also had interesting views of authorship and interpretation.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#72

Post by keiferski »

kbrkbr wrote: post #71
keiferski wrote: post #59

Very generic weak article, as many others have said. I spent a lot of time studying Nietzsche in college (while getting a degree in philosophy) and it is pretty annoying how the pop culture conception of his ideas has so little to do with what he actually wrote. I think Nietzsche would find the “entrepreneurial” rebranding of his ideas to be irritating and frankly not the audience he wanted. He was writing for a very…

But why would we care what Nietzsche would think and for whom he wrote? That idea seems to rest on a very narrow and philosophically contested understanding of the nature of the work of an author. Eco, to take one of the more uncontroversial figures in tradition, holds that you can understand an author better than he himself did. Nietzsche himself also had interesting views of authorship and interpretation.

You don't need to, and certainly there is a rich history of interpreting Nietzsche in various ways to fit various philosophical programs.

But still, when the interpretation is so dumbed down and over-simplified, I think it becomes a bit insulting to the original writer. Even moreso when the interpretation quite clearly isn't familiar with the original context/meaning of the work, which is almost always the case when it comes to Nietzsche in pop culture.

The article is a prime example: the author clearly didn't read much more than the Wikipedia page. This is typical of popular writing/content (especially on YouTube) about Nietzsche.

I guess we could argue about its validity as "an interpretation of Nietzsche", but I mostly think it's just unremarkable, low effort writing. There is absolutely an article that could be written about Nietzsche's philosophy applied to the modern AI situation...but this isn't it.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#75

Post by silcoon »

Shallow article that could have easily been generated by a LLM. Yes, seriously "Please write an article about revisiting Nietzsche in the Age of AI", something on this tone.

Shallow because it doesn't offer anything constructive, it doesn't analize deeply Nietzsche philosophy -- which is a large topic -- neither approach the topics of the future of AI for humans, like alienation and replacement, with seriousness. So it's not only an article generated by a LLM, but behind the prompt there was a slack writer.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#76

Post by Amezarak »

kbrkbr wrote: post #71
keiferski wrote: post #59

Very generic weak article, as many others have said. I spent a lot of time studying Nietzsche in college (while getting a degree in philosophy) and it is pretty annoying how the pop culture conception of his ideas has so little to do with what he actually wrote. I think Nietzsche would find the “entrepreneurial” rebranding of his ideas to be irritating and frankly not the audience he wanted. He was writing for a very…

But why would we care what Nietzsche would think and for whom he wrote? That idea seems to rest on a very narrow and philosophically contested understanding of the nature of the work of an author. Eco, to take one of the more uncontroversial figures in tradition, holds that you can understand an author better than he himself did. Nietzsche himself also had interesting views of authorship and interpretation.

> But why would we care what Nietzsche would think and for whom he wrote?

Because we're reading an article titled "Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence": the author ought then to know what he's talking about.

This is reasonably common with all pop writers about any philosopher, but it's nearly ubiquitous for Nietzsche. For a long time, I found this baffling. You can understand why someone might be confused about what Heidegger or Kant meant about something. Nietzsche writes very clearly and simply. This led me to realize that after a certain point, understanding has much less to do with cognitive capability and more to do with your emotional background and prejudices, something akin to what Nietzsche called the "intellectual conscience." I no longer actually read any article on any popular website about Nietzsche because you can be sure they don't have anything interesting to say; they don't understand the guy they're talking about.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#77

Post by teddyh »

keiferski wrote: post #59

Very generic weak article, as many others have said. I spent a lot of time studying Nietzsche in college (while getting a degree in philosophy) and it is pretty annoying how the pop culture conception of his ideas has so little to do with what he actually wrote. I think Nietzsche would find the “entrepreneurial” rebranding of his ideas to be irritating and frankly not the audience he wanted. He was writing for a very…

> I spent a lot of time studying Nietzsche in college (while getting a degree in philosophy) and it is pretty annoying how the pop culture conception of his ideas has so little to do with what he actually wrote.

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/360>

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#78

Post by varjag »

tgv wrote: post #66
xarope wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a member of the ACM, so I would report this article. However, I think the author may just have made some mistakes and mixed up/-1'd their references, since the 2023 report is actually #2 2. Di Battista, A., Grayling, S., Hasselaar, E., Leopold, T., Li, R., Rayner, M. and Zahidi, S., 2023, November. Future of jobs report 2023. In World Economic Forum (pp. 978-2). Similarly, Footnote 7 probably should probably poin…

The Communications of the ACM no longer has an editor?

Possibly displaced by an LLM.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#79

Post by marginalia_nu »

keiferski wrote: post #72
kbrkbr wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why would we care what Nietzsche would think and for whom he wrote? That idea seems to rest on a very narrow and philosophically contested understanding of the nature of the work of an author. Eco, to take one of the more uncontroversial figures in tradition, holds that you can understand an author better than he himself did. Nietzsche himself also had interesting views of authorship and interpretation.

You don't need to, and certainly there is a rich history of interpreting Nietzsche in various ways to fit various philosophical programs. But still, when the interpretation is so dumbed down and over-simplified, I think it becomes a bit insulting to the original writer. Even moreso when the interpretation quite clearly isn't familiar with the original context/meaning of the work, which is almost always the case when…

That's philosophy just in general though. It's to a very large degree the study of excerpts, and commentaries excerpts, and commentaries on commentaries.

There are people with a degree in philosophy that think Plato's republic was an attempt at designing the ideal state, because they've only seen the middle of the dialogue, and were never shown the beginning and end where the republic is very explicitly introduced as a philosophical device to examine the virtue of justice in the soul.

Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence

#80

Post by swaits »

clueless wrote: post #9
pfd1986 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the book recommendation. Adding the link here so it shows in the monthly book suggestion: https://a.co/d/iR7sxnU

where is the monthly book suggestion?

Probably referring to the mailing list from https://hackernewsbooks.com
Post reply on HN