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Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

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If you had invented Bootstrap, you would have invented Bootstrap. Assuming what you are saying is true, credit would have been nice though.

Taking someone else's work and presenting it as your own is okay now?

Nope not okay.

However:

- How much of Bootstrap's is directly lifted from Foundation? Or was it mostly the idea? _Execution_ makes or breaks. Vision and ideas complement execution.

- And Bootstrap's success isn't just because of the code alone. It was the packaging, and the selling.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#72

Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…

Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here. As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best. For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developin…

I am reminded of the classic MBA example of Pullman coaches. Pullman did not invent the concept but made it work commercially. The result was his predecessors had long and successful careers in the railway engineering industry.

I respect your defence of your people and much kudos to you. I would not fear for their futures - they have shipped a much respected product, and inspired a calling card product.

Good luck

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

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Wow, big news for Bootstrap. I think Matt and Jacob realize the huge impact they've made on the web development community and the potential Bootstrap has to become the jQuery of HTML. New developers may begin to ask, "should I learn HTML or Bootstrap?" It's not a far-fetched idea because the same question is sometimes asked by beginners when "deciding between" jQuery and (vanilla) JavaScript. jQuery plugins are ubiqu…

FWIW, Kickstrap has some crowd already http://ajkochanowicz.github.com/Kickstrap/

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#74

Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…

Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here. As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best. For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developin…

@chiefinstigator, thanks for this backstory and huge respect to the ZURB Foundation team. My only complaint is that I think you could made your point better without digging at Mark.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

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And yet all of these seemingly negative results arguably drove the development of more interactive web interfaces, rekindled a broader interest in Javascript, eventually resulting in better libraries and, ultimately, things like Node.js being possible.

You're claiming node.js wouldn't exist without jquery?

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

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post #71

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Taking someone else's work and presenting it as your own is okay now?

Nope not okay. However: - How much of Bootstrap's is directly lifted from Foundation? Or was it mostly the idea? _Execution_ makes or breaks. Vision and ideas complement execution. - And Bootstrap's success isn't just because of the code alone. It was the packaging, and the selling.

And maybe the fact that it had Twitter's name behind it?

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#77

Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…

Thanks for the insights & fun facts.

After also reading this: http://blog.getbootstrap.com/2012/09/29/onward/ I still don't get what this actually means for the future of BS, is it good news, or bad news, is everyone too polite?

Good to be remembered here of Foundation again. I was recently asked for BS alternatives and couldn't named any.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

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Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here. As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best. For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developin…

Wow, I had no clue, but assumed Foundation sprung from BS. I like that Foundation is lighter and easier to override than BS, and even though it has a similar look, it's decidedly different than the stock, ubiquitous bootstrap design. But lack of IE8 support makes it a bit of a hard sell. I'm excited to see what's in store for both frameworks, but hope to see Foundation continue as a leaner, less opinionated alternati…

I really like Foundation based on the same points you raised.

It does support IE8, minus the responsive stuff, it's http://foundation.zurb.com/docs/support.php), and that's a deal breaker for me and why I've never used it since most of the sites I build still get around 10-12% from IE7.

You could use the older version of Foundation, but that doesn't appeal to me either.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#79

Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…

Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here. As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best. For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developin…

Interesting, I had not heard of Foundation before, and am interested in checking it out to see how it does with the few things that annoy me about Bootstrap. So appreciate the pointer.

But when I go to the Foundation web pages... I've clicked like 5 times, have managed to get to the Getting Started page, and I still haven't seen any code examples of how to actually use it. Note that the Bootstrap docs start with and are centered around examples; it _starts_ by telling you how to install it and start using it. Every 'feature' element on the home page is right next to a code example showing how to do it.

I think Bootstrap's documentation is actually a huge part of it's success. If you're wondering why Bootstrap caught on where Foundation didn't, I think that's probably part of it. Foundation's docs _look_ as pretty as Bootstrap's (which is a good sign given the nature of the products), but they aren't done as well for getting people to dive in quick or overview of how the code actually works quick. Writing good docs is a skill of it's own, and whoever does it for Bootstrap has definitely got it. You can get started with Bootstrap _so_ fast, because the docs are written with that goal in mind and achieve it.

Re: Bootstrap Maintainers Leave Twitter

#80

Bootstrap creator here. tl;dr: First, thanks for the love everyone! Jacob and I love seeing people as excited about the future of Bootstrap as us. We're hopeful that this is just the beginning of it. And now, onto answering some of the questions/comments folks have brought up here thus far. Jacob left over a month ago and my last day is next Friday (10/5). He's going to Obvious, and (announcing it here for the first…

Foundation Evangelist, ZURB's Chief Instigator here. As a leader, it's often difficult to see your hard working employees move on to other opportunities. And you hope deep down that the lessons they learn from you along the way will be remembered as influencial in their career. Mark had a great run at ZURB before Twitter. I wish him the best. For ZURB's current employees, and the ones that put thinking into developin…

I just started using foundation and just wanted to say thanks! It's a great front end framework. It does not get enough love in the community.
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