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Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Izikiel43 »

giraffe_lady wrote: post #45
notepad0x90 wrote: post #36

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> Voters don't want a streamlined and efficient immigration system that lawfully allows a lot of migrants There was a really interesting open ended survey some years ago, in the leadup to the trump/clinton election but I can't find it now sorry. When republicans voters were asked to describe their preferred immigration policies, they outline a stance significantly more permissive and flexible, and less burdensome, th…

Yes, that's my experience when having to explain what getting a greencard entails, most people have no idea how the whole thing works.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by eszed »

saubeidl wrote: post #57
ethanhunt_ wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan > The term is considered to be an antisemitic trope > common ancestry or heritage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil > Blood and soil (German: Blut und Boden, pronounced [ˈbluːt ʊnt ˈboːdn̩] ⓘ) is a nationalist phrase and concept of a racially defined national body ("Blood") united with a settlement area ("Soil"). Originating in the German völkisch movemen…

Hence my antipathy, 20+ years ago, to the creation to a department of "Homeland" Security. Not that function of that entity itself was necessarily a bad idea, but that the concept of a "homeland" is fundamentally at odds with the USA's credal concept of civic belonging. Smuggling the blood and soil metaphor (further and officially) into the national consciousness has born disastrous fruits.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Izikiel43 »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #20
focusgroup0 wrote: post #7

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on the books immigration law has been broken for decades. do you expect people across the border wait a decade to get their turn for an immigration interview only to be turned down, when they can just cross the border? When laws become impractical, they create 11 million law breakers.

> do you expect people across the border wait a decade to get their turn for an immigration interview only to be turned down, when they can just cross the border?

Well yes, that's what following the law means. They can't complain about it, it's not their country, and they don't have a say on the rules.

In a similar vein by your logic, if you are in a hurry, why should you obey traffic laws when you can just run a red light or a stop sign right?

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by cipehr »

stocksinsmocks wrote: post #67
cipehr wrote: post #24

A little annoyed, this seems like is has nothing to do with the ICE arrests ... > The city suspended its Flock system because city officials could not guarantee they wouldn’t be forced to release data collected by those devices someday, she said. Key part is " someday ". Seems like the article is implying that flock may have shared this data with ICE which led to the arrests... but there is no proof supporting this..…

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sigh I hope LLMs can save us from ourselves. :)

Maybe I need to write a news filter/browser extension that rewrites rage-bait articles to have titles and content based only on the meaningful content/facts, and less the speculation/insinuations.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by dylan604 »

cipehr wrote: post #52
Eisenstein wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to revise our understanding of expectation of privacy. The 'you have no expectation of privacy when you are outside' bit was formed before we had everything recording us and before face recognition could track us. At the very least I think any kind of face recognition should require probable cause.

Its an interesting question indeed. You're saying there might be some expectation of privacy even in public? The line here is a little different. I could point a camera out my window and record every license plate that drives by my house, and that would be allowed because its recording public activities, and the data I collect would be private—its mine from my camera. The question here is if a public/government agenc…

> The question here is if a public/government agency pays a private company to setup cameras in public, for the benefit of the public, then should that data collected by those cameras not also be public?

This is how NASA operates with the data/images collected from the tax payer funded operations it runs. There is a period of exclusivity allowed for some projects to allow the people to work with the data, but anybody can go down load high res imagery once it has been released.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by Izikiel43 »

estearum wrote: post #61
ahmeneeroe-v2 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"Data Show Trump Would’ve Released as Many Border Crossers as Biden" from the right-wing Cato Institute > As I previously demonstrated, President Biden removed a higher percentage of border crossers in his first two years than Trump did during his last two years (51 percent versus 47 percent), despite Trump having to deal with many fewer total crossings (Table 1). Congress right now is in a bipartisan state of denial…

> Biden has deported vastly greater numbers and a higher share of crossers, but it has not deterred people from crossing.

ICE and Trump seem to be enough deterrent now, considering how the land encounters have reduced.

> The logistics are such that once arrivals exceed the deportation machine’s capacity, people will find out and even more will come.

This explains the huge ice funding increase.

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by 0cf8612b2e1e »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #42
notepad0x90 wrote: post #36

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> No matter what, the whole ICE acting like the SS thing will only result in more illegal migration in the long term, like a lot more. How so? What mechanism do you see that goes from "ICE acting like the SS" to "a lot more illegal migration in the long term"? What's the cause and effect here? Not saying you're wrong, necessarily, just... I don't see the causality at all.

Statistics are showing that the total immigrant population is down by over a million since the start of the year. If you have the ability to leave, why put up with this nonsense?

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/08/21/key-findi...

Re: Redmond, WA, turns off Flock Safety cameras after ICE arrests

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Post by karmakaze »

estearum wrote: post #55
pton_xd wrote: post #12

What did they think would happen? Installing surveillance systems to monitor people is acceptable, as long as they're only used against the majority? I don't understand the logic here.

You don't understand the logic of "there are some crime problems we're willing to accept more intrusions to solve than other crime problems?" Seems like something virtually everyone believes, and all that changes is where they draw the line of balance between intrusion and safety.

The point is that there is no actual line. There's the premise which then collects the data.

Then the data can be used for other purposes--no line prevents this.

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Post by wrs »

seltzered_ wrote: post #50

"On Thursday, a Skagit County Superior Court judge ruled that pictures taken by Flock cameras in the cities of Sedro-Woolley and Stanwood qualify as public records, and therefore must be released as required by the state’s Public Records Act, court records show." This video by Tom Lehto talks more about that court case that illustrates citizens can legally do FOIA requests for traffic cameras (e.g. Flock): https://yo…

The example of Seattle Police dashcam and body camera footage may be interesting. When those things were relatively new, ten years ago or so, someone started filing daily public records requests for footage from all 911 dispatches (among other things). They wanted to build their own database of the theoretically public footage. The SPD complained that the overhead of redacting all that footage would be impossible. Eventually the legislature clarified the status and tightened the request rules, so now you have to request footage for a specific incident, and you may have to pay a redaction fee. [0]

[0] https://mrsc.org/explore-topics/public-records/law-enforceme...

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