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My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by behindsight »

silexia wrote: post #57

A major takeaway from this is that the news media can easily be misled and report false information. Everyone sees this whenever there's a news article in a field they are an expert in, but then they trust all of the other articles in fields they are not.

> The Gell-Mann amnesia effect is a cognitive bias describing the tendency of individuals to critically assess media reports in a domain they are knowledgeable about, yet continue to trust reporting in other areas despite recognizing similar potential inaccuracies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by ahoka »

BSDobelix wrote: post #18
ahoka wrote: post #12

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Tech/Game/Movie journalism is mostly trash because they are like a external Spokesperson for the paying business, often they even get the text that they should publish. However calling all journalists "trash" i wildly unfair for people like Scott Horton, Patrik Baab or David Talbot....and manymany more.

True, I was thinking too narrowly.

Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by trenchpilgrim »

cortesoft wrote: post #64
trenchpilgrim wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience: 1. Start building stuff that is hard to build that requires touching these niche topics. Especially stuff you don't know how to build 2. As you encounter problems, you'll have to scour for solutions (AI doesn't know these things due to lack of training data). In the process you will find people who are also working on these problems. Ask these people well-formed, intelligent questions.

I am skeptical of your second claim here… if you can “scour for solutions”, and you find something about it on the internet, then AI could find it the same way.

A lot of the solutions are buried in places AI can't scrape or train on. Like inside people's brains or inside private codebases or chatrooms not open to bots. However you can find these people and the products and services they're making and start talking to them.

Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by shakna »

cortesoft wrote: post #64
trenchpilgrim wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience: 1. Start building stuff that is hard to build that requires touching these niche topics. Especially stuff you don't know how to build 2. As you encounter problems, you'll have to scour for solutions (AI doesn't know these things due to lack of training data). In the process you will find people who are also working on these problems. Ask these people well-formed, intelligent questions.

I am skeptical of your second claim here… if you can “scour for solutions”, and you find something about it on the internet, then AI could find it the same way.

Most LLMs can't even count parentheses properly to build basic Lispy stuff. Building something niche like a logic solver in Scheme macros only? Forgetaboutit.

Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by denkmoon »

cortesoft wrote: post #64
trenchpilgrim wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience: 1. Start building stuff that is hard to build that requires touching these niche topics. Especially stuff you don't know how to build 2. As you encounter problems, you'll have to scour for solutions (AI doesn't know these things due to lack of training data). In the process you will find people who are also working on these problems. Ask these people well-formed, intelligent questions.

I am skeptical of your second claim here… if you can “scour for solutions”, and you find something about it on the internet, then AI could find it the same way.

Are AI companies training off discord chat history? There's so much technical information locked up in them these days.

Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by 0xf7ff »

comrade1234 wrote: post #4
jeremyjh wrote: post #2

> A weeks ago, my friends and I were talking about the inner workings of Zen 5. We were talking about how the CPUID instruction works, and how AMD MSRs are technically editable if you ask the processor nicely. As do we all.

By 'talk' I suspect he means discord and by friends he means display names. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I catch myself saying 'talk' when I'm talking about something a friend told me over chat.

OP here: Yep, it's Discord. This all happened on a Discord server for a tech youtuber, I'm not sure if they want to be "outed" but they're an 800K subscriber-ish youtube channel with a five-ish thousand member private discord. There were a bunch of people involved, but you might see Arae around in the Reddit thread, she was the one with the actual 9700X in question. None of us have met IRL and we do stay fairly anonymous, but we do chat quite regularly (I've known Arae in particular for at least six months now).

If you're looking for similar discords, I might recommend the discords for things like Bazzite, LTT, Mint, or any number of other small-tech-youtube-discords, or discords for technical video games (eg. Turing Complete, BeamNG, PCBS, Factorio). Discord has no algorithm, you have to find the content yourself!

Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by 0xf7ff »

Aurornis wrote: post #49

> so, to test, one of us took a heavily PBO'd 9700X and changed /proc/cpuinfo to be a "9700X3D" and ran a Passmark run to see if the software would be fooled... The two articles I saw about this both emphasized that the high clock speed (from the PBO) was inconsistent with the name of the CPU that implied it would be lower performance than the 9800X3D. Most of the sites I check regularly have been pretty good about c…

Yeah, we completely forgot that Arae's 9700X had been PBO'ed. If you look at the Passmark bench (or screenshots, now that it's been taken down) you'll see that 5.8GHz is the *only* clock speed listed, it doesn't even state what the base clock is.

An Intel engineer in the comments did confirm that they test some CPUs to destruction in the factory (at Intel, at least), but "...if the benchmarks leave the lab, the employee leaves the company". Also that they usually do that kind of testing on golden bin chips, not a lower-clocked bin.

Re: My friends and I accidentally faked the Ryzen 7 9700X3D leaks

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Post by gblargg »

lazide wrote: post #42
gblargg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't publish benchmarks until a few data points for the same model come in from different sources, and are roughly the same?

Publishing is ‘coming in from different sources’ though? Or do you think journalists are going to wait for ‘peer review’ for their breaking news?

I meant that the benchmark sites could wait to show data for new hardware until multiple readings are logged from different accounts.
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