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VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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The award is well deserved, VLC was a godsend a few years ago but I’m not sure what VLC brings to the table nowadays. All other players play videos just fine on Linux now. I guess VLC is only a thing on Windows because the default software is crap. On Linux almost everyone now use whatever is the default player or MPV for the nerds.

Default player sucks and MPV is close to impossible to compile yourself. VLC is still a good solution on Linux.

Wtf, mpv is extremely easy to build yourself, with or without the mpv-build scripts. You just need to install the dependencies first, which is table stakes for building almost anything.

Anyway, you should be able to install both VLC and mpv from your distro's repo, assuming your distro isn't weird. Building mpv is only something you'd do if you're hacking on it or need a bleeding edge build for some reason.

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

VLC was a big deal in the 2000s if you wanted to watch torrented anime. Operating systems didn't come with players with broad codec support and it was a legitimate nightmare to figure out what fly by night codec worked with whatever the bootleggers cobbled together to encode the video of the week. These days, operating systems already have rock solid video players with far less clunky UI. On Linux, video is already s…

I remember having to install the K-Lite Codec Pack back in the day (college days) to be able to watch videos I would "acquire". When I eventually discovered VLC, it was like a breath of fresh air. I still use it to this day as my default video player, because nothing else comes close to the quality they have.

I'm the opposite. I started out using VLC, but once I found the codec packs (K-Lite being one of the last) I immediately started using other, more user friendly media players.

The problem with VLC is that the interface consistently feels... both imprecise and ridiculously granular. Everything just behaves weird. It felt weird in 2002 and it still feels weird in 2025. Like they cribbed the design from a DivX player, and haven't thought about it since.

VLC seems bound and determined to not let you interact with a video without pausing it, then opening the menu and hunting for option you need. Yes, I could set up my own interface, but that's not an excuse for not having a bare minimum of functionality that matches modern user expectations. Besides, configuring VLC to have the interface you want is itself not an easy task. Like, they have interface presets. Why isn't there a preset interface for "make this match YouTube"?

Just looking at what they chose to make be default key bindings is just bizarre to me. Half the things they have bound to single key presses are things that have never come up for me ever, while several things I want to use frequently are double or triple key combinations or not available for binding at all. All the default adjustments like skipping ahead or adjusting speed are all so granular that you have to hit them 10 or more times to actually accomplish anything. Just a completely alien interface to me. This software feels like it was built to solve media problems that I have not encountered since the late 90s when video tracks and audio tracks were more frequently out of sync from the producer.

What using VLC has taught me over 20 years is that the best way to play media with VLC is to open the software, begin playback of the media, and then under no circumstances attempt to interact with the software again.

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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> But the real elephant in the room is that the lionshare of video is now being delivered by major media platforms like YouTube. Youtube is dubbing videos with AI for no reason whatsoever if you play the videos from the website these days.

I'm still curious how they thought that was remotely a thing anybody wanted. The cynic in me says some PM rolled out it out because they had an internal metric to hit. I know a lot of people who are bilingual (or trilingual) and they utterly loathe it.

Can't you just deactivate it?

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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Years ago I remember complaining on HN that VLC didn't support remembering the position of the video you've already partially watched, when multiple other video players supported it. The only reply was someone saying you should contribute to the open source project yourself to fix it instead of complaining. I don't know anything about coding a multi-platform video player so I wasn't much use but not long after they r…

Tbf you could donate money to someone who does have the expertise to do it.

Free software is not "free" (as in free beer). People have to build and maintain it.

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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Years ago I remember complaining on HN that VLC didn't support remembering the position of the video you've already partially watched, when multiple other video players supported it. The only reply was someone saying you should contribute to the open source project yourself to fix it instead of complaining. I don't know anything about coding a multi-platform video player so I wasn't much use but not long after they r…

ngl: I was expecting a crazy success story where you started learning to code to add your feature and then you went on becoming a streaming expert at a FAANG But glad you had your feature!

Thank god not every post has to look like a LinkedIn story.

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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Years ago I remember complaining on HN that VLC didn't support remembering the position of the video you've already partially watched, when multiple other video players supported it. The only reply was someone saying you should contribute to the open source project yourself to fix it instead of complaining. I don't know anything about coding a multi-platform video player so I wasn't much use but not long after they r…

Tbf you could donate money to someone who does have the expertise to do it. Free software is not "free" (as in free beer). People have to build and maintain it.

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Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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So many hours of fun watching videos over the years, without the constant fear that some odd codec would make the experience impossible. Thanks, VLC!

VLC was a big deal in the 2000s if you wanted to watch torrented anime. Operating systems didn't come with players with broad codec support and it was a legitimate nightmare to figure out what fly by night codec worked with whatever the bootleggers cobbled together to encode the video of the week. These days, operating systems already have rock solid video players with far less clunky UI. On Linux, video is already s…

>It feels like wrestling with 1998 in trying to use VLC these days

What does this mean? I double-click and video file and it starts playing. What wrestling are you doing?

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used VLC until I looked for a backward frame step functionality. I then found this thread on the VLC forums where the maintainers explain (with bad attitude) why this functionality is technically impossible. Everyone points out that mpv supports it, but the maintainers double down and say they’re Doing It Wrong and it shouldn’t be possible. So anyways, I switched to mpv. https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=2…

On Windows at least VLC has had better alternatives for the past 20 years, both feature and UI wise. I had frame-stepping hotkeys back in the mid-00s with Korean video players. These days I use the currently maintained fork of MPC-HC which similarly has this. On Mac it wasn't until the mid-10s that I found a decent player.

And which one is it. I’m using mpv currently.

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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People like VLC. Personally I am a mpv-user though. For some reason the mental model by mpv (and before that mplayer) works better for me. On Windows, VLC is quite convenient though. While I also use mpv there, for an elderly relative I have simply used and installed VLC there, as the default GUI mode is more convenient for elderly people.

I use mpv but VLC is definitely better for people who prefer traditional GUIs, which is most people.

Celluloid and IINA are "traditional" GUIs for mpv. They work fine.

Re: VLC's Jean-Baptiste Kempf Receives the European SFS Award 2025

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But the real elephant in the room is that the lionshare of video is now being delivered by major media platforms like YouTube. Youtube is dubbing videos with AI for no reason whatsoever if you play the videos from the website these days.

I'm still curious how they thought that was remotely a thing anybody wanted. The cynic in me says some PM rolled out it out because they had an internal metric to hit. I know a lot of people who are bilingual (or trilingual) and they utterly loathe it.

I’m one of those who hate it. I’m trilingual, but when watching something in any foreign language I just want to read subtitles instead of “dubs”.

It is of course worse when it tries to do so on a language I already speak.

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