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Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by ErroneousBosh » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:31 PM UTC

cuu508 wrote: post #42

fragmede wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

specifically, “free” VPN isn’t free. They use your computer that has the VPN software installed as an exit nodes for other customers. Those other customers hammer websites for their AI until it gets blocked. Sucks for you, unfortunately. Talk to your kids about the dangers of VPNs before it's too late.

Which VPNs are like that?

All the ones you don't construct for yourself out of an inexpensive VPS.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by ErroneousBosh » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:31 PM UTC

bityard wrote: post #10

Oh, yet another luxury EV. Wake me up when a manufacturer finally commits to making an EV that everyone can afford and isn't a cloud-connected privacy nightmare.

It's a few grand more than a Focus ST. Hardly "luxury" money.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by Upvoter33 » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:32 PM UTC

brianshaler wrote: post #28

Upvoter33 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don’t know the cost here but I would fathom it’s not “cloud connected”

> What is the price of a Carice TC2? > Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax).

I guess that makes it a luxury EV ...

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by mywittyname » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:34 PM UTC

nluken wrote: post #53

Looks a little like a first gen Daihatsu Copen, and I mean that as a complement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daihatsu_Copen#First_generatio...

I'd call it a Porsche 356 Speedster homage. But the Copen mostly likely drew its inspiration from the 356 as well.

The 54HP is right about what a 356 would have made with the larger engines, and the price with VAT is inflation-adjusted, roughly identical as well.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by dylan604 » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:35 PM UTC

realo wrote: post #58

rancor wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pros: Proper EV motor scream. Cons: 56HP.

Ah... that could explain the apparent absence of airbags.

haha, however, just because you can't move very fast doesn't mean something else moving fast won't hit you.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by swiftcoder » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:38 PM UTC

throwup238 wrote: post #36

swiftcoder wrote: post #32

I want one. What will it cost?

From the FAQ at the bottom of the page: > Prices for a TC2 start at €44.500 excluding taxes (€53.854 including 21% btw/Dutch tax) Street legal in Europe but not the US, up to 300km range.

Hah. That 21% tax (which will surely also be the case here) is a killer.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by shermantanktop » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:47 PM UTC

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #71

cuu508 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which VPNs are like that?

All the ones you don't construct for yourself out of an inexpensive VPS.

your preferences don't sound like facts. Are you claiming that paid VPNs "all" do this as well?

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by ErroneousBosh » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 5:50 PM UTC

shermantanktop wrote: post #77

ErroneousBosh wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the ones you don't construct for yourself out of an inexpensive VPS.

your preferences don't sound like facts. Are you claiming that paid VPNs "all" do this as well?

How do you think they make money?

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by limitedfrom » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 6:00 PM UTC

RubenvanE wrote: post #34

Some specs about the car: - 31.5kWh - 630kg - 300km (186mi) range This review explains the concept behind the car in more detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aTzuUrdyIc

186 mi for 31.5 kWh would indicate nearly 200 mpge which is quite impressive.

Re: Carice TC2 – A non-digital electric car

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Post by jmward01 » Wed, Nov 05, 2025, 6:15 PM UTC

formerly_proven wrote: post #66

jmward01 wrote: post #21

I like the idea, and we need variety in the market to keep things evolving, but I like the bells and whistles. I just don't want it to phone home. Honestly, I want the title to be 'we don't have a network connection and we can still be a car'. Privacy is my #1 feature.

A data connection still has tangible benefits e.g. remotely starting the AC/heating, live status of chargers / route planning, online map updates, eCall etc

If only I could trust that is all it did. I want 'airplane mode' for my vehicle. I turn my phone to 'airplane' mode all the time specifically because I don't want to give them access to where I am and all the other telemetry. I want incredibly strong protections that their network access isn't abused. Tools like logging all connections by application and the ability to block anything. Blocking when these tools can use the network (only when I have actively let them because I am actively using it for example) and opt-out by default with independent third party auditing of everything they release so I can build trust. I want real guarantees with real consequences when they are broken. I want devices to be mine, not theirs. Right now it is like someone has keys to my house and regularly comes in and installs hidden cameras without my permission. It is evil and people should go to jail for it. Unfortunately though, right now I have 100% trust that they will abuse their position which means I see every 'feature' that connects in any way as a major negative and not a positive. It is deeply unfortunate because I want to enjoy the things I pay for instead of treating them like the enemy that they currently are.