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Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by John23832 »

jordanb wrote: post #22

This is the Californian Ideology in a blog post. The implication that title and intro mean to imply is working for companies that build products that are not evil and hostile to their users. But the call to action is to.. embed logic in the programs to pluralize properly (in English). It's possible to write evil software that pluralizes words. It's possible to write beneficial software that does not pluralize words.…

There's no good or evil here.

Have attention to quality. Do whatever it is that you're doing well.

Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by zkmon »

nickelcitymario wrote: post #54
zkmon wrote: post #8

Not for me. Exccessive customer obsession puts me off as customer. Don't try to read too much into me. Don't try to sell too much. Don't try to please me too much. Don't think about me too much. Instead, think about the stuff you are offering. Treat it as if you are building it for yourself, and not for selling. Build it the way your like most. Sound as if you don't care about selling. Be proud of it. Get off of the…

I feel like I'd agree with your comment if it was in reply to an entirely different article. As in: I agree with your sentiment and ideas. Out of context, you're bang on correct. But I don't think paying attention to details (like pluralization) is an indication of obsession with the customer, at least not for me. It's about caring about the craft. When I'm building something for my own use, I care about every aspect…

Sorry if my comment sounded out of context, but it is a very thin veil between craftmanship and salesmanship. Everything that you do to get the sale can also be seen as craftsmanship. The difference is about who is the user? Any feature that you put out just for the sake of pleasing someone should be an anti pattern. If your post is aligned with this, then I stand corrected

Btw, passion displayed in your post is great, but sometimes, it could mean excess for you and your team.

Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by John23832 »

cj wrote: post #46
canes123456 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am baffled why you are inserting good and evil into this. He just seems to want to work at companies that value craft and attention to detail. It just like the jobs quote about the back of the furniture also being attractive.

Ironically, I could see the author's logic being used as a justifcation to build more "evil" features: > Talk to me like I’m used to. Be familiar, be approachable. I want to feel like you care about helping me. Not “me” as in “all the prospective 99,99,999 users”, but “me” specifically. Users shouldn’t feel like they’ve been dropped into a cookie cutter template - a cold, hard reminder that this is clunky, soulless m…

Personalization != using appropriate common language to express what is happening to the user.

Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by [deleted] »

jasode wrote: post #45

>You can’t have your UI disrespecting [...] and I care too much! I think it just highlights that people care about different things. I've seen the "(s)" placeholder for decades in computer UIs and it's never bothered me. On the other hand, blog article characteristics that bug me are titles consisting of a non-descriptive teaser with ellipsis (...) that doesn't describe the main point and not having a publication dat…

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Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by jordanb »

ivape wrote: post #68
jordanb wrote: post #22

This is the Californian Ideology in a blog post. The implication that title and intro mean to imply is working for companies that build products that are not evil and hostile to their users. But the call to action is to.. embed logic in the programs to pluralize properly (in English). It's possible to write evil software that pluralizes words. It's possible to write beneficial software that does not pluralize words.…

It seems like a douchey post but it’s not. Just browsing the internet makes me regularly question how difficult it is keeping the tech industry full of people that give a shit. Software ate the world and along with it came a contingent that don’t care enough about it. The choppy first page load, the non-smooth scrolling, the ads janking in, shifting layout and content in unpredictable ways, and finally the bombarding…

They don't have intrusive ads because programmers "DGAF". They have intrusive ads because they need to juice their clickthrough metrics with dark patterns.

Same with all the bad performance. Sometimes this may be a mistake but almost always it's because the site is firing up 50 prerender tracking scripts.

The author is trying to imply that if everyone focused a little more on making the computer feel like your robot friend, the industry would quit producing shit software. But the reality is the industry creates shit software because it is running an ad-supported malware business model.

Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by computerthings »

abraxas wrote: post #5

Number "two" in Polish (depending on context): dwa, dwoje, dwie, dwóch, dwiema, dwom, dwojga, dwojgu, dwójka, dwójki, dwójkę, dwójką, dwójce, dwójko So that's just my mother tongue. It think your problem is a bit more complex than (s).

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Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by socalgal2 »

jasode wrote: post #45

>You can’t have your UI disrespecting [...] and I care too much! I think it just highlights that people care about different things. I've seen the "(s)" placeholder for decades in computer UIs and it's never bothered me. On the other hand, blog article characteristics that bug me are titles consisting of a non-descriptive teaser with ellipsis (...) that doesn't describe the main point and not having a publication dat…

I'd be curious if that holds for all languages.

The plural version does not and as you pointed out, there's a solution in English that works. But, I'm curious if there are any languages were that type of solution doesn't work.

https://perldoc.perl.org/Locale::Maketext::TPJ13#A-Localizat...

Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by socalgal2 »

abraxas wrote: post #5

Number "two" in Polish (depending on context): dwa, dwoje, dwie, dwóch, dwiema, dwom, dwojga, dwojgu, dwójka, dwójki, dwójkę, dwójką, dwójce, dwójko So that's just my mother tongue. It think your problem is a bit more complex than (s).

this post is 30+ years old and demonstrates the naïveté of the OP

https://perldoc.perl.org/Locale::Maketext::TPJ13#A-Localizat...

Re: The kind of company I want to be a part of

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Post by ivape »

BrtByte wrote: post #53
tyleo wrote: post #2

I’d say overreaction. The real world is full of tradeoffs and I’ve seen people try to get minutia like this correct in convoluted contexts which actually broke the core application logic. Given the limited time we can spend on things, supporting proper plurality falls below some of my other UI priorities like proper accessibility settings. I don’t think plurality is bad, just low in the stack rank of things that matt…

Sure, not every edge case deserves top billing, but when the little things stack up, they subtly signal whether anyone cared. It's a vibe thing

Death by a thousand paper cuts

Proverbs become eerie the longer you live. Almost like, woah, that one sentence was actually universally true? Well hot damn!

Keep neglecting these small things and you’ll see the level of unconstrained shit you will have unleashed onto the world. With enough of us doing so, we can take part in the great collective festival of mass garbage accumulation (aggregate all the paper cuts). The few neurotic types that lament over this are actually, believe it or not, the closest thing to a sewage system for the accumulation. As of 2025, shame as a utility, is a weak tool.

The modern website needs to be in MOMA with no explanation, just a small title that reads ‘Despair’ (Perhaps even ‘Futility’, or the more modern ‘There was an attempt’).

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