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Post by acqq »

bad_user wrote: post #67
UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the concept of a Chromebook; however the Chromebook is based on an assumption: that we are always connected. 24/7/365, and unfortunately I haven't found that to be the case. Once that is the case: that I can get an internet connection from dawn until dusk, no matter where in the country I travel, or heck even what country I travel to then I would absolutely get a Chromebook. But we aren't there yet.

Being online all the time is not something insurmountable. My mobile plan came with data included. I have 3G connectivity all the time, for really good prices too, both on my phone and on my iPad and I live in Romania, not the U.S. or some other country that's in the top countries when it comes to Internet connectivity. And I'm seeing people living in the country-side, on farms, talking through Skype to their relativ…

"3G connectivity is not available everywhere, etc... but in 5 years from now I believe it will be a non-issue."

I don't agree: 1) The bandwidth is a limited resource. 2) You can't install senders in every corner of everything to cover blind spots. If you haven't experienced both I believe you're using your 3G almost always without too much moving around and in the area without too much heavy users.

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Post by MatthewPhillips »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #59
primigenus wrote: post #49

This is why I'm so infatuated with the concept of the Chromebook. A lot of the "techie" stuff like backups and restoring that Marco describes here is solved with a Chromebook. And it uses familiar user interface paradigms that people recognise from their experience using Windows (especially now that they added the windows management system that looks a lot like Windows 7), whereas the iPad has completely new paradigm…

I love the concept of a Chromebook; however the Chromebook is based on an assumption: that we are always connected. 24/7/365, and unfortunately I haven't found that to be the case. Once that is the case: that I can get an internet connection from dawn until dusk, no matter where in the country I travel, or heck even what country I travel to then I would absolutely get a Chromebook. But we aren't there yet.

Chrome books don't require you to be online all of the time. The web has had an offline spec for several years now. http://appcachefacts.info

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Post by josteink »

jesseendahl wrote: post #37
swang wrote: post #31

I recently left a job that initially gave me a iPhone 3G ~3 years ago. When I upgraded to a 4S I just transferred the settings over. When I left I decided to delete my email account because why would I need it anymore. So I remove the account from the iPhone and went to eat a bagel. Imagine my surprise when I come back to my phone to call my sister except iPhone tells me I only know about 8 people. Apparently the iPh…

I'm pretty sure that the iPhone asks you if you want to keep a local copy of your contacts & calendars when you remove an Exchange account, so you may have hit "No" on accident.

It didnt on my old iPhone 3G.

Gone were all my contacts and calendering data, including birthdays.

I had to export my stuff to CSV and massage it in local Outlook and do some reverse-and-double-wipe sync stuff through iTunes.

It was horrible and I refuse to buy another iDevice ever again.

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Post by ksec »

Thx, I hope this get pushed up to front page. And prove my comparative theory, Apple will know they happen to be good only because their competitors are bad.

I think we need some rethinking into the whole mess of sync. It is not easier, even for some technically minded individuals.

And may be someday Apple could charge $50 or more per iDevices and have iCloud Backup as standard. No more messing around with iTunes Sync. And my friends wont cry when her iPhone has been stolen and lost all the pucs she took over the years.

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Post by mitchty »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #29
mitchty wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back before Best Buy had the "Geeksquad", we had the exact same type of form. And we framed it the same way, actually had to almost underplay that bad things could happen.

It's Geek Squad, and why do you put it in quotes? That's the name of the company they acquired in 2004(?)

Since I quit I haven't really paid much attention to Best Buy to be honest so I didn't know the proper spelling.

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Post by RHSeeger »

josephcooney wrote: post #47
norrishung wrote: post #33

Its possible that oversight here was on Marco's part and not the Apple Store's. If his grandfather had told an Apple Genius that "he wanted to make sure he could transfer his stuff onto a new iPad in case this one ever broke", chances are that the Genius would have known what he was talking about. Instead, Marco doesn't trust his grandfather to explain that coherently and has him write down the cryptic words "ICLOUD…

So, as per usual, when apple stuff doesn't work it is the user's fault. Right?

I'd actually label it as both of their faults. I'll give you an example from software development...

The product manager comes to me and says "I need you to add this field to the set of data stored for this thing". In the specific scenario I'm talking about, there's two ways it can go:

1. I blindly add the field for them. Later on, it turns out this field duplicates another field in that it can be calculated from that one. The fact that there's two fields that have the same "data" means that users get confused.

2. I ask the product manager what it is they're trying to accomplish by adding the field, so that I can make sure the implementation being asked for is the correct one. We find out it isn't and, instead of adding the field, we add an additional view of the data that allows the user to specify it two different ways. Everyone is happy.

My point is that the person going into the Apple store should make sure to describe what it is they are trying to accomplish, not just what they want the person to do. Similarly, the Apple worker should know to ask for what the person is trying to accomplish rather than implementing it. Both individuals could have done things better, both are responsible.

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Post by S_A_P »

chrisbolt wrote: post #53
kylec wrote: post #20

Last friday a co-worker managed to snag one of the new iPhone 5s from an AT&T store and wanted to transfer everything from his old iPhone 3GS to it. He had not been syncing his 3GS to any computer, so I thought it would be a simple matter to set it up to sync with iTunes on his work computer, have it make a backup, then restore that backup onto the iPhone 5. Unfortunately, this is not as easy as it should be. The syn…

By default, iTunes pops up a message saying "you have purchased items on this device, would you like to transfer them?" It sounds like your co-worker said no to this in the past, and checked the box to not pop up the message anymore.

I think that is kind of the point. It isn't really immediately clear what that will do. I think the message should read something to the effect of "You have purchased items on your device, which are not currently sync'ed to this computer. Would you like to transfer them now?"

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Post by stephengillie »

Ntrails wrote: post #63
kylec wrote: post #20

Last friday a co-worker managed to snag one of the new iPhone 5s from an AT&T store and wanted to transfer everything from his old iPhone 3GS to it. He had not been syncing his 3GS to any computer, so I thought it would be a simple matter to set it up to sync with iTunes on his work computer, have it make a backup, then restore that backup onto the iPhone 5. Unfortunately, this is not as easy as it should be. The syn…

"Why can't Apple be smarter and have iTunes download all information from the iPhone upon connection?" I would imagine this is because the iPhone/Pod/Pad is expected to be a slave not a master. When I hook my iPhone up to someone else's computer, it asks me if I want to overwrite everything on the phone with that data, not upload my data over theirs. Indeed, with purchased data going up from a phone the computer shou…

I would imagine this is because the iPhone/Pod/Pad is expected to be a slave not a master.

Why would this always be the case? I'd expect the mobile device to have more accurate/newer information than the stationary device, most of the time. If you're networking at lunch or a conference, and you put all that info into your phone, why wouldn't that be synced with the PC instead of the other way around?

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Post by rkudeshi »

Angostura wrote: post #62
dm3 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider myself technical, but when recently faced with a task of backing up contacts from an iPad to iCloud - I got scared. The iPad had an iCloud account set up. It was unrelated to the current device's owner, so I couldn't back the device up to that account. There is a 'Remove account' button, but what's going to happen when I remove the account? Is something going to disappear from the iPad? How am I going to k…

Similarly, I consider myself technical but the whole iCloud syncing business on iOS and OS X Lion (may have improved in ML) is a mess and I managed to lose documents. Syncing has to be turned on and off in multiple places with non-intuitive descriptions of what may happen. Turning syncing off warns that data will be lost (huh? I don't want you to delete anything, just stop syncing the two data sets). Tis all a muddle…

There is one way to back up to both iCloud and your computer. First, set up automatic iCloud backup. Then, whenever you plug in your iOS device, right-click on its name in the iTunes sidebar and hit 'backup'. It will do a one-time backup to your computer.

It's not perfect, but it works really well for me. Daily automated backups to the cloud + backups on my computer whenever I update the OS or upgrade devices.

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