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Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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Re: Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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At least investing in companies that will buy Nvidia makes sense somewhat, even if it feels dodgy. What possible sense does it make for Nvidia to invest in a maker of telecom equipment (Nokia) with no public plan, and the value of the investment jumps 30% as soon as it’s announced? It’s not like call routing needs to be “AI enabled” or they’re putting Nvidia GPUs in their custom silicon. Feels like Nvidia has too muc…

Nokia had some of the best mobile hardware (and software!) in the game until they were bought by Microsoft and promptly killed. I've been patiently waiting for their resurgence. Building embedded/mobile devices is their forte, which is also coincidentally the hardware space where AI is most poised to shine. Nvidia made a move in the same direction when they tried to acquire ARM. That got antitrusted (fairly so) but i…

nokia is live and well. It is tier 1 player in teleco hardware

Re: Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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It’s quite possible that they’d want to do the layoffs regardless, and the AI narrative just gives them a convenient excuse, with the added bonus that it also happens to promote AI.

Yep, layoffs keep the cost of labor down, so if they can do it without affecting what they really care about they will

Re: Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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Agree with a lot of this. But on the last point, that’s the “blame middle management” theory. And I have seen outrageous, florid displays of exactly that behavior in those ranks. But the CEOs have been there all along, doing the math on ZIRP and getting caught up in FOMO. They could have tightened their belts at any time, or demanded better justifications for investments. Why didn’t they?

> But the CEOs have been there all along, doing the math on ZIRP and getting caught up in FOMO. They could have tightened their belts at any time, or demanded better justifications for investments. Why didn’t they? Because the job of a CEO is not to micromanage. The whole point of hiring middle management is to keep CEOs out of micromanaging decisions. The job of C-suite is to 1. Be the arbitrator between different o…

The directive to hire like crazy during the pandemic was a perfect example of an executive decision: should we incur long-term financial obligation (salary, cost of hiring, risk to culture leading to inefficiency) based on short-term conditions (Zirp, hot job market, fluff about AI)?

And they generally got it wrong, so they are in good company with each other. Is that because they were all equally smart? Or because they are sheep?

Re: Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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Then Nvidia is turning around and investing back in the AI companies so they can in turn buy Nvidia chips...

Nvidia is basically allowing some of its clients to pay with partial ownership of their companies instead of with cash for the chips they want, because there's simply not enough cash in them for the lofty goals lots of people think are achievable.

Nvidia can do that because what they sell has an insane markup. Nvidia is getting a billion dollars in equity for input spending of a hundred million. Nvidia is creating demand for it’s products and in turn getting ownership in companies for cheap. It’s like being a VC but your investments are chips and the chips also count as revenue for you.

Re: Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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The "spending money on each other" part is untrue. It is mostly going in one direction, towards Nvidia, and that's the reason they crossed $5 Trillion in market cap recently.

I think the actual reason market caps got so high is money printing. Because there are trillions more dollars, stock markets are trillions of dollars higher. Might be a conspiracy theory though.

Not really a conspiracy theory but just normal economics.

Re: Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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"Firing everyone" is greatly exaggerated.

Google is not at its all-time high, but still pretty close:

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOG/alphabet/numb...

Amazon: similar.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMZN/amazon/number...

Microsoft: all time high?

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/MSFT/microsoft/num...

It sucks if you need to find work, but these are still major employers, even after large layoffs. They can lay off thousands without much of a dent.

I'm old, I remember when Google was 20k people and I thought that was enormous.

Re: Tech companies are firing everyone to "fund AI", spending money on each other

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The "spending money on each other" part is untrue. It is mostly going in one direction, towards Nvidia, and that's the reason they crossed $5 Trillion in market cap recently.

I found John Gruber's roundup of tech company profits (not revenue) interesting: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/10/30/apple-q4-result... - Google (a.k.a. Alphabet): $35B - Microsoft: $27.7B - Apple: $27.5B - Nvidia: $26.4B - Amazon: $21.5B

MANGA is the new FAANG.
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