Live data from Hacker News

HTTPS by default

security.googleblog.com

71–80 of 268 posts

Re: HTTPS by default

#71
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, hotels were injecting ads on their free WiFi - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3804608

ISPs have been known to do the same thing.

Devil's advocate, but maybe ISPs should all inject ads to make a point. They make money, and anyone using HTTP gets taught a free lesson on what MITM means

Re: HTTPS by default

#72
What's worse, many plaintext HTTP connections today are entirely invisible to users, as HTTP sites may immediately redirect to HTTPS sites. That gives users no opportunity to see Chrome's "Not Secure" URL bar warnings after the risk has occurred, and no opportunity to keep themselves safe in the first place.

Two hosting providers I use only offer HTTP redirects (one being so bad it serves up a self signed cert on the redirect if you attempt HTTPS) so hopefully this kicks them into gear to offer proper secure redirects.

Re: HTTPS by default

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's Encrypt pushes me to run its self-updating certbot on my personal server, which is a big no-go. I know about acme.sh, but still...

They're focused on the thing that'll get the most people up and running for the least extra work from them. When you say "push" do you just mean that's the default or are they trying to get you to not use another ACME client like acme.sh or one built in to servers you run anyway or indeed rolling your own? Like, the default for cars almost everywhere is you buy one made by some car manufacturer like Ford or Toyota or…

>usually making your own car is legal

It may be legal but good luck ever getting registration for it.

Re: HTTPS by default

#74

I have had HTTPS-by-default for years and I can say that we're past the point where there's noticeable year-to-year change for which sites aren't HTTPS. It's almost always old stuff that pre-dates Let's Encrypt (and presumably just nobody ever added HTTPS). The news site which stopped updating in 2007, the blog somebody last posted to in 2011, that sort of thing. I think it's important to emphasise that although Tim'…

While Google and friends are happy to push for https, it’s dramatically easier to scam people via ads or AI generated content. Claiming plain HTTP is scary seems like a straw man tbh

Re: HTTPS by default

#75
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's Encrypt pushes me to run its self-updating certbot on my personal server, which is a big no-go. I know about acme.sh, but still...

Let's Encrypt does not write or maintain certbot

ISRG (Let's Encrypt's parent entity) wrote Certbot, initially under the name "letsencrypt" but it was quickly renamed to be less confusing, and re-homed to the EFF rather than ISRG itself.

So, what you've said is true today, but historically Certbot's origin is tied to Let's Encrypt, which makes sense because initially ACME isn't a standard protocol, it's designed to become a standard protocol but it is still under development and the only practical server implementations are both developed by ISRG / Let's Encrypt. RFC 8555 took years.

Re: HTTPS by default

#76
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run my blog in unencrypted HTTP/1.1 just to make a point that we do not have to depend on third parties to publish content online. And I noticed that Whatsapp is even worse than Chrome, it opens HTTPS even if I share HTTP links.

Do you depend on a DNS root server to map your website name to your IP address? That's a third party. There are ways to remove that dependency, but it's going to involve a decentralized DNS replacement like Namecoin or Handshake, many of which include their own built-in alternatives to the CA system too so if "no third parties" is something you truly care about you can probably kill two birds with one stone here.

Registrar is the big one, if yours decides to do a Google and randomly ban you and automatically decline your appeal with AI, you're stuffed.

Re: HTTPS by default

#77
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ISPs have been known to do the same thing.

Devil's advocate, but maybe ISPs should all inject ads to make a point. They make money, and anyone using HTTP gets taught a free lesson on what MITM means

Before turning on the dude who thrives to keep the internet free, fix your corporate laptop that does MITM even for HTTPS connections.

Re: HTTPS by default

#78

Good stuff. Anyone have a good recipe for setting up an HTTPS for one-off experiments in localhost? I generally don't because there isn't much of a compromise story there, but it's always been a security weakness in how I do tests and if Chrome is going to start reminding me stridently I should probably bother to fix it.

[deleted]

Re: HTTPS by default

#79

http://www.slackware.com/ is probably the biggest website I'm aware of that does not serve encrypted traffic[1]. but there are a few other legitimately useful resources that don't encrypt. [1] (Except on the arm subdomain for some reason)

My first distro was Slackware. Good memories. The ARM subdomain looks drastically more maintained, posts from 2025. Don't ever view source on slackware.com

Don't ever view source on slackware.com

Awwww, that's the stuff right there.

Re: HTTPS by default

#80
post #31
post #19

What defines private sites, I wonder – beyond "such as local IP addresses like 192.168.0.1, single-label hostnames, and shortlinks like intranet/"?

Non-unique hostnames, which are RFC 1918 space, single-label hostnames, and addresses assigned to mDNS (.local).

[deleted]
Post reply on HN