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Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division

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Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division

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If not for the top 10 of the S&P 500 - the companies that can get a meeting at the white house - we'd probably be in a recession and S&P would be down.

It's almost like a merger of Capital and State.

It has been and it is. Both US and China have successfully created a Leviathan albeit if different form. EU is way behind and that’s why it’s losing.

Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division

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Once a company moves on to recurring, large-scale layoffs justified by vague corporate Mumbo-Jumbo, I think it is safe to assume it is a "day 2" company.

I was not aware of this term before.

For others: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/jeff-bezos-day-1-versus-2-com...

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I've taken pay cuts twice in my career, but both times it was at unfunded startups and it was more of a "we'll get you back for this later" (one did, one did not). I worry that normalizing the idea that a company can make you an offer (that you can't refuse) of lower pay, with the alternative being that you get fired, would set some really bad precedents. Companies would start to min/max this process and would use it…

as if they don't already; the job market is a market with a mechanism for price discovery (duh. wouldn't be a market otherwise.) the unfortunate fact is that the people forced to be sellers of their time on the market have livelihoods and families to support, so the market is in most places very heavily regulated, some would say overregulated. OTOH capitalism really did pull out many countries out of extreme poverty,…

The Colorado rules about publishing salary ranges really help make it a true market. Better insight on compensation, in more places, would be even better. And evolving laws as the workarounds evolve; this is why we have legislators.

Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division

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Once a company moves on to recurring, large-scale layoffs justified by vague corporate Mumbo-Jumbo, I think it is safe to assume it is a "day 2" company.

I'm not really sure how this fits with Amazon's corporate culture. I thought all of the dead wood good pip'ed out of there on an ongoing basis.

If people are surviving that then who are are the people being ejected? Unprofitable areas or new products which didn't pan out?

Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division

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Worse, we’ve been in one but have been pretending we aren’t. Stock goes up.

The biggest "pretend" is where spokesmen, spin doctors, and sycophants for the plutocrat class have somehow convinced the 99% that stocks going up makes more jobs for the little people.

SP500 is flat this year when you account for loss of purchasing power of the US dollar:

https://ycharts.com/indices/%5ESPXEUR

Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division

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This is a reflection of 1) compensation has come down since the ZIRP era at least in some roles and 2) it's a hirer's market. This means companies see an opportunity to bring compensation down. I wish employees would instead have an opportunity to sign up for lower salary. For whatever reason you just don't see that happening anywhere

The instant that offer was made, any sensible person will start looking for another job. The only people who will stay are the ones who can’t get hired elsewhere. You’ll lose your best people and keep the worst.

Layoffs are very tricky because just the act of laying people off can trigger good employees who remain to start looking elsewhere. It can trigger a sort of evaporative cooling of your whole workforce. A strategy of offering reduced pay instead of being laid off would exacerbate it.

Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division

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These aren't "job losses", these are "firings". They aren't unfortunate accidents of external origin that happened to them, they are conscious internal decisions to let people go.

It's wild that you can legally work for a company, spend your limited life's time to build a part of it while not owning even a tiny bit of it (getting paid for unit of time - a finite resource) and then just get fired once you are not longer useful and that's the end of your income from the thing you built for you. All the while people who own it don't have to perform any kind of work and keep getting paid in perpet…

You forgot to mention the part where they also invest millions in lobbying and buying off politicians to control policy, and hundreds of millions or billions acquiring media companies to control the public narrative, all so that ordinary workers - who vastly outnumber the billionaires - do not get out the pitchforks and demand a more equitable distribution of wealth.

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Recession is a term with a very defined meaning and that meaning does not include employment at all.

Recession is officially whatever NBER says it is and it doesn’t have a well defined meaning.

Also it’s by design a trailing designation. You will be in (and possibly out) of a recession before NBER declares one, by definition.
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