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Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by Natsu »

hamdingers wrote: post #59
programjames wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The human traffic code is also written in blood. But humans are worse at applying the patch universally.

We don't even try. In the US you demonstrate that you know the rules at one point in time and that's it, as long as you never get a DUI you're good. For instance, the 2003 California Driver's Handbook[1] first introduced the concept of "bike lanes" to driver education, but contains the advice "You may park in the bike lane unless signs say “NO PARKING.”" which is now illegal. Anyone who took their test in the early 2…

Some places will dismiss a traffic ticket if you attend a driver's education class to get updates, though you can only do this once every few years. So at least there have been some attempts to get people to update their learning.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by lotsofpulp »

terminalshort wrote: post #47
lotsofpulp wrote: post #20

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With how cheap high definition cameras are, I don’t see why society needs a person to be physically present.

I prefer the risk of death over constant surveillance

A) everyone is already constantly surveilled via mobile networks and license plate readers, so surveillance is a moot point. We might as well get something out of it.

B) the system can be setup to purge and/or record only at relevant times or during infractions

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by paganel »

whimsicalism wrote: post #30
trollbridge wrote: post #6

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… assuming the GiantCorp running the robotaxis cares about complying with the law, and doesn’t just pay a fine that means nothing to them.

the discourse around “corporations” has gotten absolutely ridiculous at this point, especially on this website.

I agree, much of the people here are still way too lenient when it comes to big corps.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by hamdingers »

terminalshort wrote: post #68
hamdingers wrote: post #63

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If you're want to operate a deadly vehicle in public you need to compromise, sorry.

Sounds like you're the one who needs to compromise because most people agree with me, or we would already have such a system.

Sounds like you're confused about the world you live in if you believe there aren't millions of cameras, many with ALPR capabilities, pointed at the street already.

I propose they be made actually useful instead of merely surveillance for surveillance sake, but I can see how that would feel oppressive to drivers accustomed to getting away with murder.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by paganel »

varenc wrote: post #32
whimsicalism wrote: post #30

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the discourse around “corporations” has gotten absolutely ridiculous at this point, especially on this website.

It's ironic given this forum began as a place for aspiring startup (Delaware C-Corp) founders.

Some of us came here because we were finding programming.reddit.com too mainstream (after all this thing was written in Arc! of which almost no-one knew any details for sure, but it was Lisp, so Lisp cool), for sure we weren't visiting this place in order to become millionaires.

Even though I agree, there was a time and a place (I'd say 2008-2010) when this forum was mostly populated by "I want to get rich!" people, maybe that is still the case and they've only learned to hide it better, I wouldn't know.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by hamdingers »

Natsu wrote: post #71
hamdingers wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't even try. In the US you demonstrate that you know the rules at one point in time and that's it, as long as you never get a DUI you're good. For instance, the 2003 California Driver's Handbook[1] first introduced the concept of "bike lanes" to driver education, but contains the advice "You may park in the bike lane unless signs say “NO PARKING.”" which is now illegal. Anyone who took their test in the early 2…

Some places will dismiss a traffic ticket if you attend a driver's education class to get updates, though you can only do this once every few years. So at least there have been some attempts to get people to update their learning.

This only happens if you get a traffic ticket, which is rare and getting rarer.

Ironically this means the people with the cleanest driving record are least likely to know the current ruleset.

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by whimsicalism »

terminalshort wrote: post #47
lotsofpulp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With how cheap high definition cameras are, I don’t see why society needs a person to be physically present.

I prefer the risk of death over constant surveillance

probably the minority on HN, but i don't. i think traffic enforcement cameras are good and should be expanded

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by dmix »

mastax wrote: post #70
themafia wrote: post #49

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Waymo operates in a very limited scope and area. I would not attempt to extrapolate anything from their current performance.

If you were trying to evaluate that code deployed willy nilly in the wider world, sure. But that code exists within a framework which is deliberately limiting rollout in order to reduce risk. What matters is the performance of the combined code and risk management framework, which has proven to be quite good. Airbus A320s wouldn’t be very safe if we let Joe Schmo off the street fly them however he likes, but we don’t…

I'm just curious to see how they handle highways more broadly which is where the real danger is and where Tesla got in trouble in the early days. Waymo avoided doing that until late last year, and even then it's on a very controlled freeway test in Phoenix, not random highways

https://waymo.com/blog/2024/01/from-surface-streets-to-freew...

Re: US probes Waymo robotaxis over school bus safety

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Post by dmix »

whimsicalism wrote: post #30
trollbridge wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

… assuming the GiantCorp running the robotaxis cares about complying with the law, and doesn’t just pay a fine that means nothing to them.

the discourse around “corporations” has gotten absolutely ridiculous at this point, especially on this website.

South Park had a good satire on this sort of generic anti-corporation comment. paraphrasing

"Corporations are bad"

"Why?"

"Because, you know, they act all corporate-y."

https://www.tiktok.com/@plutotvuk/video/7311643257383963937 (sorry googles first result was titktok)

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