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Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by pjerem »

jvanderbot wrote: post #63
asibahi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an architect who worked as a contractor and as a consultant and I made an account here just to comment on this. When you found out the builders did that, what you should have done is stopped the work and have them correct their mistake on their own dime. This is an unforgivable mistake and a team of professional should never make something like that. Obviously I am not in your shoes, but this is insane to me. An…

This seems like the just-world response. But how can one force this? If they just say "No" you end up taking them to court and delaying the construction of your house. You endanger the contracts for downstream work. I had a landscaper screw up just about everything they could building a retaining wall, and they couldn't even get me an extra bag of grass seed after the fact.

Depends on the country. In France, and I think in Europe, you have 4 (IIRC) legally mandated visits during the construction. At each one of those visits, you have the right to suspend the next payment (you pay a legally mandated percentage of the house after each one of those visits).

I also had measurements issues and a contractor that tried to force it to me. I just said I will not pay until it's fixed. The next week everything was fixed.

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by Theodores »

tech4all wrote: post #2

Cool! From HP! The robot only costs $1,500 but a two pack of extra sharpies for it costs $48,000. Before you can use it, you must install 5 petabytes of HP drivers.

Joking aside, I don't believe HP developed this product, they almost certainly bought the company that makes it.

My hunch?

Seen these things before.

I doubt it has been DRMd to hell yet, and I doubt they upgraded to show PC LOAD LETTER at all times, but why did they add this to their portfolio?

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by Lammy »

The landing page and FAQ heavily imply that HP's cloud service is the only way to control the thing. Spec sheet shows the robot as having “Connectivity: Bluetooth, 4G, WiFi”, so it can connect to the cell network directly: https://h20195.www2.hp.com/v2/getpdf.aspx/c08982823.pdf

Landing page sez “How HP SitePrint works: Use the HP plugin to get a robot-ready file … Save the 2D .dxf file into the cloud”. FAQ agrees, under “How do I control the robotic layout solution?” https://www.hp.com/us-en/printers/site-print/layout-robot/fa...

If HP cloud is the only way, is there a Privacy Policy for this? Would HP store the DXF beyond the time the layout gets uploaded and the robot finishes printing? Are they storing data from other sensors? Data from RTS? If they are storing anything, are they also selling them, or selling conclusions drawn from them?

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by nevi-me »

segmondy wrote: post #69
jvanderbot wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like the just-world response. But how can one force this? If they just say "No" you end up taking them to court and delaying the construction of your house. You endanger the contracts for downstream work. I had a landscaper screw up just about everything they could building a retaining wall, and they couldn't even get me an extra bag of grass seed after the fact.

so what? delay it. as you see the house is messed up, that's going to be an issue when it's time to sell. many people will notice a very narrow stairwell or tiny bathrooms. when we were house shopping there were many houses we passed because the stairs were too narrow, or too steep or the bathroom was tiny or some room was so tiny it didn't qualify as a bedroom in our mind or the ceilings were too low. all those tiny…

To add more context, the staircase is within local building standards minimums. Our architect at least was able to enforce that.

The bathrooms have slightly smaller tubs, though we scratched one of the larger tubs while trying to fit it in, and the supplier wouldn't accept it. It's still in our garage lol.

We were building on a contract where we paid for material at cost, and the contractor made their fee on the labour. They were inexperienced, I'd obviously never use them nor recommend them. We made them pay for most of the damages that we could quantify, and for things like crooked walls/non-90° corners we couldn't really do much.

To an untrained eye, the house is not bad, but we know where all the mistakes are.

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by PaulHoule »

crote wrote: post #66
PaulHoule wrote: post #7

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(1) As much as people complain, home inkjet printers do a remarkable job of printing high quality art reproductions and photos at low cost relative to alternatives, (Sure offset litho is cheaper… if you are running 10,000 prints) (2) The key to this using quality materials. You’ve got to use good coated paper (which is relatively expensive.). You can mostly trust OEM ink although I found low-end EcoTank printers use…

The fundamental problem with home inkjet printing is that people just don't print that much . The average home user probably wants to print a set of 10 holiday pictures once a year. This means that every time they want to print those ink cartridges will be dried out and have clogged print heads - so they have to buy an expensive set of new cartridges to replace their barely-used ones. It is why laser printing is so o…

I'd agree the average person who wants some photo prints is better off just sending the job out to Wal-Mart, some pharmacy, shutterfly or one of many competitors.

When I got a 'free' inkjet printer I realized I couldn't just make 10 anime prints and come back six monhths later and make 10 more so I committed to print something every day which I did for maybe 2.5 years and it turned out to be quite an adventure. To feed that machine I got serious about taking photographs, when that sucked up all my time I fell out of the printing habit!

See https://www.behance.net/gallery/232344867/Life-is-Better-Wit...

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by ghurtado »

kiddico wrote: post #64
jvanderbot wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like the just-world response. But how can one force this? If they just say "No" you end up taking them to court and delaying the construction of your house. You endanger the contracts for downstream work. I had a landscaper screw up just about everything they could building a retaining wall, and they couldn't even get me an extra bag of grass seed after the fact.

Surely, a delayed house is better than a house built incorrectly, no?

Something something Nintendo video games....

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by nevi-me »

sidewndr46 wrote: post #68
nevi-me wrote: post #31

I could have benefited from this in the construction of our house. Riddled with inaccuracies, the engineer signed off on the foundations, but we found out when the walls were up that the builders used the internal dimensions as exterior dimensions. So our house is smaller by ~250mm on each side. We had to make so many compromises and wastages as a result. Bathrooms now smaller if we want to keep other rooms the same,…

Did you use a contractor for this build? The neighbors of my parents ran into this, but somehow the foundation team added around a foot in all dimensions. The owner of the property refused to accept anything other than a new foundation. The contractor refused and from what my Dad told me the home owner was forced to sell to the contractor by the courts as their recourse. This story also seems a litle off unless the c…

We used a contractor yes. Oddly, the civil engineer signed off on the foundations. I think what happened is that the foundations might have been correct, but when they started laying bricks, they used the internal dimensions.

The foundation is normally 500-600mm wide.

Another funny story is that we have a concrete column in the living room that was meant to be 250mm x 250mm. The subcontractor decided to box it in and pour it before we came to inspect. He made it 450mm x 450mm.

So we have this giant concrete thing in the passage.

If some of it wasn't as embarrassing, I'd blog about it with photos.

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by MrMorden »

nevi-me wrote: post #67
asibahi wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am an architect who worked as a contractor and as a consultant and I made an account here just to comment on this. When you found out the builders did that, what you should have done is stopped the work and have them correct their mistake on their own dime. This is an unforgivable mistake and a team of professional should never make something like that. Obviously I am not in your shoes, but this is insane to me. An…

We discovered/noticed this when the exterior walls were 2 meters high. They had to move around interior walls but that didn't help much. My wife and I concluded that we got what we paid for, and you're right that in hindsight we should have taken legal action against the contractor. I don't know how breaking down the whole exterior of a house to fix it down to the foundation would feel though. At some point we though…

> I don't know how breaking down the whole exterior of a house to fix it down to the foundation would feel though.

Not your problem.

Re: HP SitePrint

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Post by ghshephard »

About 20 years ago I was working in IT, and I was responsible for the physical build out (from a shell) of 599 North Mathilda, Sunnyvale - The foundations and outer walls/roof were up - but nothing inside.

I had responsibility (working with consultants who did this for a living) to work with the project manager, and architect/GC. All of the datacenters (back when companies put data-centers in their buildings), IDFs, MDFs. The MDF in particular was complex as it combined the floors IDF + the buildings MDF/telco connections, punchdowns, and a massive Nortel Option51c set of cabinets. We carefully laid out the room - measuring the minimal possible distance for cable techs to get in between the racks. Everything was designed down to the 1/4" in the room.

I showed up (mostly randomly) with a tape measure during construction - internal walls were up - and they were off by almost 14" - which would have made the internals almost unusable for their original purpose. They had to tear down their framing, pull everything out - thankfully before any electrics/racks/hvac had been put in place.

Having something like this would have greatly reduced that possibility. Bet they end up on every site (if they aren't already).

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