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An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by slumberlust »

dexwiz wrote: post #49

Talk about coffee is always skewed between I have no issues and a single drop after lunch ruins my night. Caffeines half life in the body is strongly tied to age. As you get older, the half life gets so long you cannot metabolize a normal dose in 24hours. That is why people over a certain age often drink decaf. So just because you can drink 5 cups a day at 25 doesn't mean it's the same at 65, or even 35.

Are you simply describing the slowing of metabolism for everything consumed, or stating caffeine itself is metabolized slower with age? Curious about a source for the latter.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by talloaktrees »

seemaze wrote: post #42
SoftTalker wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah caffeine doesn't stay in the body all that long. If you stop all intake it will basically all be metabolized or eliminated within 24 hours. For most people, the effects diminish earlier than that, usually from 6-12 hours. It's not something that requires a long detox period. If you want to quit and are getting headaches, take an aspirin/tylenol/advil (check that they don't contain caffeine!) and drink plenty of…

Personal caffeine metabolization rate is partly genetic[0], but can be aided by diet[1].. like mother always said, finish your (brassica) vegetables! [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39438936/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10837004/

your mother used the latin word "brassica?"

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by jrm4 »

vorpalhex wrote: post #70
jrm4 wrote: post #41

Interesting how "quitting coffee" makes it up the rounds, and pretty much all the discussion perceives "quitting is good," -- but there's quite a bit of at least plausible evidence, both modern scientific as well as really old school, that suggest that coffee is really good for you?

Conflation is very easy to do here. If you are very sick, you probably aren't drinking coffee (it's a mild stomach irritant). So there is a correlation between coffee and being healthy, but causation is very messy.

In both directions, then.

Again, I'm very very comfortable with. Wait -- millions of people have been drinking coffee daily FOR YEARS, with VERY FEW visibly super-harmful side effects.

That data is as good as, or perhaps better than, modern medical data -- which ITSELF cuts both ways.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by jrm4 »

umvi wrote: post #48
jrm4 wrote: post #41

Interesting how "quitting coffee" makes it up the rounds, and pretty much all the discussion perceives "quitting is good," -- but there's quite a bit of at least plausible evidence, both modern scientific as well as really old school, that suggest that coffee is really good for you?

You can frame anything as being good for you if you search for reasons and ignore any downsides: - "Coffee reduces risk of developing Parkinson's" - "Wine helps reduce heart disease" - "Nicotine stimulates cognitive function" Like many other drugs, caffeine has some upsides, but also some pretty significant downsides (its dependency-forming properties being one of the big ones). And since this is HN, adding new depen…

Your code analogy is horrifically bad. It strongly suggests against, e.g. the covid vaccine.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by smallnix »

boston_clone wrote: post #67
tensor wrote: post #22

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Yep. Fuck those of us who take two hours to fall asleep because that's just the way we are. Useless people the lot of us. eagerly awaiting all the suggestions for why I just need to do X or Y to get to sleep. Definitely haven't tried those!

I'll bite. Never did I ever meet anyone in the military that needed "two hours" to fall asleep when they had adequate physical exercise throughout the day. If you're undiagnosed by a clinical physician for a disorder and have that issue, you're either sleeping too much, consuming too many stimulants, or not getting enough physical exercise. What's your exercise routine like?

> Never did I ever meet anyone in the militar

The military disqualifies people with severe sleep disorders..

Nice survivor bias example.

Note, I can't speak to this particular case.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by [deleted] »

vorpalhex wrote: post #68
tensor wrote: post #22

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Yep. Fuck those of us who take two hours to fall asleep because that's just the way we are. Useless people the lot of us. eagerly awaiting all the suggestions for why I just need to do X or Y to get to sleep. Definitely haven't tried those!

Well backed RCTs have generally shown >95% of sleep issues are solvable, with sleep hygiene (this means using your bed only for sleep and sex, keeping your room dark and quiet eg no blinking leds, and getting up and getting light exposure if you don't fall asleep in 20 mins) resolving ~70% of cases. Anxiety treatments resolved most of the rest. You could be in that last 5%! But that is extremely unlikely. Cut caffein…

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Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by zdragnar »

dfxm12 wrote: post #54
zdragnar wrote: post #19

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I found the same thing with aeropress. I can drink coffee all day, and have the occasional Americano no problem, but twice had a shot from an aeropress over ice and it gave me awful anxiety attacks both times. Interestingly, cold brew makes me a bit anxious but doesn't really satisfy the caffeine craving the way a traditional cup of coffee does. YMMV I guess

All other things being equal, immersion brewing, including aeropress, cold brew, French press, hario switch, etc., leads to a drink with more caffeine than other brewing methods.

Aeropress has much more in common with espresso than cold brew or French press, as the immersion step doesn't last very long (based on how it was made for me).

In fact, cold press is pretty much the only outlier here. Caffeine is highly soluble in water, and the low temperature is the only thing slowing the extraction process down in a cold brew. In all of the other examples, the caffeine is mostly (though admittedly not entirely) extracted before most of the flavors are.

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by seemaze »

talloaktrees wrote: post #72
seemaze wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal caffeine metabolization rate is partly genetic[0], but can be aided by diet[1].. like mother always said, finish your (brassica) vegetables! [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39438936/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10837004/

your mother used the latin word "brassica?"

I suppose I should have bracketed "brassica" in lieu of parenthesizing it.. pedants unite!

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by WalterSear »

dfxm12 wrote: post #56
WalterSear wrote: post #36

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Acidity hitting the stomach?

FWIW, Red Bull is more acidic than your average coffee.

Apparently, coffee contains compounds other than caffiene, that cause gastric acid secretion: tryptamides and catechols.

“Espresso and French press both tend to extract higher concentrations of tryptamides,” Sebastian says. “Meanwhile, tryptamide concentrations in filter coffee are usually quite low because they are absorbed by the paper filter.

“However, tryptamides are only some of the compounds which contribute to the increased secretion of gastric acid,” he adds. “In our research, we are also analysing the effect of chlorogenic acids [on the stomach], but more evidence needs to be gathered.”

https://perfectdailygrind.com/2023/02/can-too-much-coffee-ca...

Re: An Unexpected Benefit from Quitting Coffee – 10 Months In

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Post by boston_clone »

smallnix wrote: post #75
boston_clone wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. Never did I ever meet anyone in the military that needed "two hours" to fall asleep when they had adequate physical exercise throughout the day. If you're undiagnosed by a clinical physician for a disorder and have that issue, you're either sleeping too much, consuming too many stimulants, or not getting enough physical exercise. What's your exercise routine like?

> Never did I ever meet anyone in the militar The military disqualifies people with severe sleep disorders.. Nice survivor bias example. Note, I can't speak to this particular case.

Then why are you speaking to this particular case? Having a sleep disorder is not an immediate disqualifier for service, either. Did you serve in the military, or are you just throwing out more conjecture?
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