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Uber will offer gig work like AI data labeling to drivers while not on the road
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#72in most regions Uber drivers are being paid an hourly wage so yeah I think this makes sense. They can answer support calls too. Despite getting an Uber hourly wage many game the system by taking DoorDash and Lyft orders while on the job. Should your employer tolerate you working another job while you are being paid to do yours?
>> Should your employer tolerate you working another job while you are being paid to do yours? When the company fights hard & dirty for decades to classify you as a contractor to externalize the majority of the costs in their business model? Yes.
A decent margin of voters (41% to 58%) in California (in an election with 80% participation) voted to keep classifying them as contractors:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_22
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> Should your employer tolerate you working another job while you are being paid to do yours? When the company fights hard & dirty for decades to classify you as a contractor to externalize the majority of the costs in their business model? Yes.
A decent margin of voters (41% to 58%) in California (in an election with 80% participation) voted to keep classifying them as contractors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_California_Proposition_22
Maybe with an asterisk mentioning the 200+ million dollars Uber, Lyft, DoorDash, etc allegedly spent on it.
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#74As someone on both sides of the issue I think this is good. I worked in tech my whole life and then drove an Uber in retirement. Uber is basically saying "We're partnering with Waymo to eliminate drivers, so here's something to help pay you while you transition to another job."
It's literally "We're partnering with Waymo to eliminate drivers, so here's something to help make your job disappear faster."
In the article:
> Casserly said that tasks will not be related to any of Uber’s autonomous partnerships or the development of driverless vehicles.
But also it would be hard to provide them with tasks that are genuinely useful to training autonomous vehicles with only their phone.
Think about what data Waymo needs at this point. Where I am, they're driving street by street to get sensor maps of everywhere to prep for launching, which requires people to be driving a car with their specific sensors, not a phone.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
The gig economy is neither contract work nor casual work. >If I want my lawn mowed, some basement junk hauled away, or my house painted, I want someone on contract/gig to do something for me, but I sure don’t want to hire an employee. Error of categories. This simply is not the same. It is normal employment in everything but name. Uber is replacing the taxi industry, which can not compete, because the taxi industry h…
You know that when you cut the last two words off the quote “is not the universal answer to Uber and non-Uber” and respond to only the part you quoted that it leaves the impression that you’re arguing in bad faith, right?
I left it off because I did not know what you meant by "non-Uber". It is a category so wide that I have no idea what you were talking about, so I decided to focus on the part where the subject was clear. In the case of Uber I know that it is possible to replace it by employee labor.
You did not give any examples for "non-Uber" companies and we certainly were talking mainly about Uber, as was the article. I do not consider it at all bad faith to focus on the "Uber" part and ignore the totally unspecified and somewhat irrelevant "non-Uber" part.
To be honest you calling me dishonest because I focus on the topic, namely Uber, and leave out a category which I can say basically nothing about such as "non-Uber", seems to me like you are trying to dodge making any argument at all. Since you are ignoring what I said and focusing on what I did not say.
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#76Here’s a few bucks for helping us eliminate your jobs, isn’t that awesome? That said I shouldn’t laugh, I get at least weekly offers in my mailbox to make up to $50/hr or something to help train models to replace programmers…
I had a recruiter reach out for a company doing Agentic SRE's due to my years of experience as an SRE. Second sentence was describing their mission as making the SRE role no longer necessary for companies. I know if you read between the lines that's the goal of many AI companies, but I was surprised how upfront they were.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I always believe technological advance eventually bring us to the point that 1) the elites have total control of all resources, and 2) impossible for ordinary people to rise up and clean the slate. We are very close to it.
> impossible for ordinary people to rise up and clean the slate Already is. Look at Russia, China and other authoritarian states. Hell, even most democratic ones.
What? I don’t think ordinary people are rising up in China at least.
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#78The whole "AI revolution" feels distopian opposite from what I'd naively thought it would do. My ideal would be a world in which boring, heavy, dangerous, etc work is replaced by machines. Giving humans time and opportunity to pursue creative, fun, stimulating or intellectually challenging tasks. In which only legit people, and never spammers or scammers get me on the phone. Where I don't have to juggle appointments,…
> My ideal would be a world in which boring, heavy, dangerous, etc work is replaced by machines. Giving humans time and opportunity to pursue creative, fun, stimulating or intellectually challenging tasks. I can't quite square people seriously believing such things, it seems like it must be wishful thinking crossed with denial. We have more than 200 years of technology taking away the hard and dangerous jobs and it h…
This is pretty wrong. We went from 90% of the population working in agriculture in ~1800 to (now) 80% working in services. Most services jobs are much nicer (and require far less manual labor) than those in agriculture.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
In addition to your very good points: an economy of people who take this live-and-let-live view is going to be far more flexible and efficient in different scenarios. An economy made up of people who think it proper to make entire classes of employment like gig work (or work that pays under a certain minimum wage) illegal is not only interfering in the decisions of adults, but can only prosper under the exact set of…
Has a whiff of Atlas Shrugged.
Sounds like a compliment
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you want to pay someone to do something employ them. There is a purpose for casual/contract labor. If I want my lawn mowed, some basement junk hauled away, or my house painted, I want someone on contract/gig to do something for me, but I sure don’t want to hire an employee. How that person chooses to relate to an employer (whether to be self-employed or work for someone else) is their business, not a concern of…
Wait you sign a contract with the person mowing your lawn?
Verbal contracts are still contracts. Anyone you hire for a job has a contract with you (implicit or explicit).