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OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by tonyhart7 »

MattGaiser wrote: post #56
zeknife wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A human being informed of a mistake will usually be able to resolve it and learn something in the process, whereas an LLM is more likely to spiral into nonsense

You must know people without egos. Humans are better at correcting their mistakes, but far worse at admitting them. But yes, as an edge case handler humans still have an edge.

and this is why LLM is getting cooked

they feed an internet data into that shit, they basically "told" LLM to behave because surprise surprise, human sometimes can be more nasty

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by grafmax »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #54
grafmax wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realized they jumped the shark when they announced the pivots to ads and porn. Markets haven’t caught on yet.

They know where the money is.

It’s standard practice for VC companies to enshittify after building a moat, relying on user lock-in. What’s remarkable is how quickly they’ve had to shift gears. And with this rapid pivot it’s questionable how large that moat really is.

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by grey-area »

frays wrote: post #62
llm_nerd wrote: post #46

Yann LeCun's "Hoisted by their own GPTards" is fantastic.

I might be missing context here, but I'm surprised to see Yann using language that plays on 'retard.' That seems out of character for him - more like something I'd expect from Elon Musk. What's the context I'm missing?

Hoist (thrown in the air) by your own petard (bomb) is a common phrase.

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

amelius wrote: post #2

> Summary (from the article) * OpenAI researchers claimed or suggested that GPT-5 had solved unsolved math problems, but in reality, the model only found known results that were unfamiliar to the operator of erdosproblems.com. * Mathematician Thomas Bloom and Deepmind CEO Demis Hassabis criticized the announcement as misleading, leading the researchers to retract or amend their original claims. * According to mathema…

> GPT-5 had only surfaced existing research that Bloom had missed

So GPT-5 didn't derive anything itself - it was just an effective search engine for prior research, which is useful, but not any sort of breakthough whatsoever.

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by the_duke »

techblueberry wrote: post #50
the_duke wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep spouting this, but I don't see how the AI bubble bursting would be all that devastating. 2008 was a systemic breakdown rippling through the foundations of the financial system. It would lead to a market crash (80% of gains this year were big tech/AI) and likely a full recession in the US, but nothing nearly as dramatic as a global systemic crisis. In contrast to the dot com bubble, the huge AI spending is…

I think my theory into contagion would be that There’s been lots of talk about these companies starting to rack up debt, and I think AI is so tied into the US GDP that things like - If the stock market crashes, there’s lots of talk about how wealth and debt are interlinked. Could the crash be general enough to start calls on debt backed by stocks. My recollection in 2008 was that we didn’t learn about how bad it was…

It may well be that an AI bubble burst is the tipping point, but I think that tipping point was coming either way.

The US admin has been (almost desperately) trying to prop up markets and an already struggling economy. If it wasn't AI, it could have been another industry.

I think AI is more of a sideshow in this context. The bigger story is the dollar losing its dominant position , money draining out into Gold/Silver/other stock markets, India buying oil from Russia in Yen, a global economy that has for years been propped up by government spending (US/China/Europe/...), large and lasting geopolitical power balance shifts, ...

These things don't happen overnight, and in fact over many years for USD holdings, but the effects will materialize.

Some of the above (dollar devaluation) is actually what the current admin wanted, which I would see as an admission of global shifts. We might see much larger changes to the whole financial system in the coming decades, which will have a lot of effects.

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by [deleted] »

grafmax wrote: post #52
amirhirsch wrote: post #37

The sad truth about this incident is that it reveals that OpenAI does not have a serious effort to actually work on unsolved math problems.

I realized they jumped the shark when they announced the pivots to ads and porn. Markets haven’t caught on yet.

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Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by znkr »

frays wrote: post #62
llm_nerd wrote: post #46

Yann LeCun's "Hoisted by their own GPTards" is fantastic.

I might be missing context here, but I'm surprised to see Yann using language that plays on 'retard.' That seems out of character for him - more like something I'd expect from Elon Musk. What's the context I'm missing?

I don’t think it’s a wordplay with the r-word, but rather a reference to the famous Shakespeare quote: “Hoist with his own petard”. It’s become an English proverb. (A petard is a smallish bomb)

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by thaumasiotes »

topaz0 wrote: post #70
MattGaiser wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must know people without egos. Humans are better at correcting their mistakes, but far worse at admitting them. But yes, as an edge case handler humans still have an edge.

LLMs by contrast love to admit their mistakes and self-flagellate, and then go on to not correct them. Seems like a worse tradeoff.

It's true that the big public-facing chatbots love to admit to mistakes.

It's not obvious to me that they're better at admitting their mistakes. Part of being good at admitting mistakes is recognizing when you haven't made one. That humans tend to lean too far in that direction shouldn't suggest that the right amount of that behavior is... less than zero.

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by microtonal »

nova22033 wrote: post #67
frays wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be missing context here, but I'm surprised to see Yann using language that plays on 'retard.' That seems out of character for him - more like something I'd expect from Elon Musk. What's the context I'm missing?

It's a play on the word petard

I found this background useful as a non-native speaker: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoist_with_his_own_petard

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by the_duke »

Theodores wrote: post #60
the_duke wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People keep spouting this, but I don't see how the AI bubble bursting would be all that devastating. 2008 was a systemic breakdown rippling through the foundations of the financial system. It would lead to a market crash (80% of gains this year were big tech/AI) and likely a full recession in the US, but nothing nearly as dramatic as a global systemic crisis. In contrast to the dot com bubble, the huge AI spending is…

When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches a cold. This was said after the OG 1929 crash and I can remember it said in the 80s. Nobody says it anymore. Due to exorbitant privilege, with the dollar as the only currency that matters, every country that trades with America is swapping goods and services for 'bits of green paper'. Unless buying oil from Russia, these bits of green paper are needed to buy oil. Na…

I have similar views on many points, see my response to a sibling comment.

I just think that effects of the AI bubble bursting would be at most a symptom or trigger of much larger geopolitical and financial shifts that would happen anyway.

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