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US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by jghn »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #62
sippeangelo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From an EU perspective I would have been out of there in February. But what is it they say, again? "Grass is always browner on the other side"? It also helps being part of a minority that the sitting regime wants to exterminate to the very definition of the word.

It’s not as simple as hopping on a train and leaving. No one in my immediate family has citizenship in another country or some other easy path I can take advantage of. Most countries require you to live months out of the year in that country for years and/or overcome some other major hurdle. Canada filters based on your education, profession, criminal record, etc. and IIRC it takes upwards of 5 years to get citizensh…

Exactly this. I mean, I know I qualify for the golden visa or equivalent in a number of countries in which I'd like to live. But that's *very* different from it making sense for me to turn on a dime and move there. And that's before I consider things like moving away from elderly family, leaving friends, and more.

But I've shifted from "it sounds nice to have an expat retirement in one of these places 10-15 years from now" to "I should start looking into what this would look like as the chance I'd want or need to do this sooner is no longer 0%". And that's a huge indictment on the state of affairs here in my mind.

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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rayiner wrote: post #40
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like a huge hassle, but I should be able to get citizenship in an EU county based on ancestry. I should do that sooner than later.

> I should be able to get citizenship in an EU county based on ancestry Imagine complaining about America and then fleeing to an ethnostate.

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Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by wenc »

Argonaut998 wrote: post #53

Tourism metrics are pointless and I'm surprised no one thought of a better way to measure these rankings involving freedom to work, freedom to live, access to embassies, geopolitical power etc

This is it. Counting countries with visa-free access to passports seems like vanity metric -- there are many countries that I will never visit in my life.

Freedom to work/live and consular access in places where people want to be is way more important.

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by keiferski »

BirAdam wrote: post #69
keiferski wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a very big difference between a failed state and life slowly getting worse, institutional rotting, etc. I really don’t foresee a scenario where America turns into Somalia or Haiti in the near future.

Nearly half of the country views the other almost half as fascist. The half viewed as fascist views the other as socialist/communist. The two have lost the ability to effectively communicate with one another. The spending on the military is bankrupting the country, and within a decade debt service will consume 100% of tax revenues. The monetary expansion is causing inflation, and lowering interest rates will worsen t…

Nearly half of the country views the other almost half as fascist. The half viewed as fascist views the other as socialist/communist

That isn't even remotely true, and if you think it is, I think you're in an extreme information bubble. The vast, vast majority of people are just going about their daily lives and in are in no way whatsoever thinking of half of the population as fascist or communist.

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by CyberDildonics »

rayiner wrote: post #40
zoklet-enjoyer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like a huge hassle, but I should be able to get citizenship in an EU county based on ancestry. I should do that sooner than later.

> I should be able to get citizenship in an EU county based on ancestry Imagine complaining about America and then fleeing to an ethnostate.

Why are you so focused on race and ethnicity?

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by rayiner »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #76
rayiner wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I should be able to get citizenship in an EU county based on ancestry Imagine complaining about America and then fleeing to an ethnostate.

Why are you so focused on race and ethnicity?

I’m a third worlder who knows how dangerous ethnic identity is. And after never thinking about race growing up, we suffered a cultural revolution in America. I was declared a “people of color” and now my daughter’s middle school has racially segregated affinity groups:

> Middle School Affinity Groups: BIPOC, Black Girl Magic, Neurodiversity and Disabled Alliance, Rainbow Affinity, Young Men of Color Affinity

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by Forgeties79 »

jghn wrote: post #71
Forgeties79 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not as simple as hopping on a train and leaving. No one in my immediate family has citizenship in another country or some other easy path I can take advantage of. Most countries require you to live months out of the year in that country for years and/or overcome some other major hurdle. Canada filters based on your education, profession, criminal record, etc. and IIRC it takes upwards of 5 years to get citizensh…

Exactly this. I mean, I know I qualify for the golden visa or equivalent in a number of countries in which I'd like to live. But that's *very* different from it making sense for me to turn on a dime and move there. And that's before I consider things like moving away from elderly family, leaving friends, and more. But I've shifted from "it sounds nice to have an expat retirement in one of these places 10-15 years fro…

You get it lol. I just want to be in a position where if I need to start making hard decisions I not only can but can quickly.

Re: US falls out of 10 most powerful passports list for first time in 20 yrs

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Post by BirAdam »

keiferski wrote: post #74
BirAdam wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly half of the country views the other almost half as fascist. The half viewed as fascist views the other as socialist/communist. The two have lost the ability to effectively communicate with one another. The spending on the military is bankrupting the country, and within a decade debt service will consume 100% of tax revenues. The monetary expansion is causing inflation, and lowering interest rates will worsen t…

Nearly half of the country views the other almost half as fascist. The half viewed as fascist views the other as socialist/communist That isn't even remotely true, and if you think it is, I think you're in an extreme information bubble. The vast, vast majority of people are just going about their daily lives and in are in no way whatsoever thinking of half of the population as fascist or communist.

I think you’re confusing people being polite with people not having opinions.
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