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You did no fact checking, and I must scream

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Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#71

> The media have comprehensively failed us. Good. The author didn’t make the mistake of calling it the “news”. I have for a long time felt that there is nuance about our “press” that doesn’t have good words in the public dialog. I struggle to articulate it myself. Our modern “free press” is only free in that government is mostly not censoring it. But the press of today is a for profit endeavour. So it is not free to…

For-profit media is definitely a problem, but Jeff Bezos didn't buy the Washington Post and Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter because they thought they were more profitable than any other investments they could have made.

I believe they did it because they wanted the power that owning a media outlet can provide in order to help protect their actually profitable businesses.

It certainly helps that they have their own revenue streams so that they're not just money down the drain. If the Post loses $100M per year, but Amazon keeps making Bezos $50B per year, that's fine, probably costs him less than the depreciation on his yachts or jets.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#72

The root problem is that the media's business model has failed. We need a new business model before the situation improves. What might that business model look like? My preference would be for consumers of news to pay for that news. This aligns incentives and gives us power to choose the media companies that serve us best. We're seeing part of this transition with all the news orgs putting up paywalls and name-brand…

For me, it seems like the solution is some sort of seamless micropayments solution for individual articles. I don't want to subscribe to 30 different outlets, but I'd pay $1-2 per article for a good piece of journalism from those outlets.

The problem is that micropayments are expensive. 2.9% and 30 cents is 32.9% on a dollar transaction (and basically all of it if you charge 50 cents to read an article). I've seen some cryptocurrency attempts at a solution, but I think a more viable solution would be a single account you periodically top up, and some aggregator that distributes payments to outlets in bulk to minimize fees.

I've looked at others' attempts in this space [1][2][3]*, but none of them seem to have taken off and I'm not sure why. It seems like a win for publishers, unless those micropayment news readers end up cannibalizing their subscriber base.

[1] https://readwithacta.com/

[2] https://www.supertab.co/

[3] https://brave.com/brave-rewards/

* I think Brave's approach of replacing ads with their own and paying in their own crypto is atrocious FWIW

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#73
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to grab and keep eyeballs yes, but also to manufacture consent for the priorities of the rich and powerful

People conveniently leave this out a lot. Outlets like The Guardian have lost massive amounts of money every year for decades. They are supported by wealthy people who want to see their agendas be influential. So the quest is for eyeballs, but not for cash. They're totally willing to throw away the pennies* that they could get from that if the alternative is not to get the ideas they want to push into circulation, wh…

Unlike opaquely financed and privately owned media companies, the Guardian is actually relatively clear and open in how it is financed and set up in a way to try to make them as independent as possible (see for example the Scott Trust's annual report https://uploads.guim.co.uk/2025/09/11/The_Scott_Trust_Limite...).

That's not to say that they don't run their fair share of gossip/clickbait... but show me an online medium that does not.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#74

I'm confused why we are fact checking viral slop. First, you would have to confirm she wrote it. When and where was it published. If you can't confirm that, you shouldn't post it. Stop, go no further. What if the information was plausible, or even accurate. If she didn't write it, what value is it?

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Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#75
When a writer reaches a national platform they see themselves as a taste maker, not a reporter. So they write what they think you should think. That's why so many articles tell you how you are supposed to feel about a thing, rather than tell you about that thing. If that means ignoring facts that disagree what they think, well, too bad. Thus we end up with headlines and paragraphs that use words and concepts that are meant to make you feel something. We get headlines like "ICE Breaks Into A House Where There Is A Baby" and "Trump Illegally Indicts Billy Bob."

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gell-Mann Amnesia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

Curious that the Wikipedia article seemingly editorializes the quote. The article displays: > In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about economics than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know. But in fact Crichton…

Because it distracts from the general point, I imagine. The quote isn't about whatever is going on in Palestine at the moment (which is usually something spectacular, terrible, and highly polarizing), but about accuracy in news reporting.

Editing the quote without using "..." or similar indications was, of course, unacceptable.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#77

The root problem is that the media's business model has failed. We need a new business model before the situation improves. What might that business model look like? My preference would be for consumers of news to pay for that news. This aligns incentives and gives us power to choose the media companies that serve us best. We're seeing part of this transition with all the news orgs putting up paywalls and name-brand…

> My preference would be for consumers of news to pay for that news.

I think that this is a fundamentally wrong headed idea. I might go farther and say that you're not going to create a new model for news, you're going to discover a new model, or you're going to accept the model that you know works, and figure out how to make it conform to your values without breaking it.

The facts: people who produce a lot of what we call news want it to be read. They write it because they have made a value judgement that it has importance, and that it should be reacted to by people. They should be backed by people who share those values - and those people should be paying for the news to be made and circulated to anyone who they can convince, beg, or trick into spending their time to understand what the producers of the news (both financiers and journalists) think is important.

This is the current actual model of the news, even though it still masquerades as a strange public service model adapted from network television news where OTA channels were required to do something in return for their use of the public airwaves. This was never the print model, which is that you have a boss, and you do what he says.

The other model of the news was never in danger. People will pay for sports and celebrity news and photographs because it is entertainment. People will even pay for crime news (of the titillating type, like violent street crime, rape and murder) because it also usually is entertainment masquerading as public service. None of that is in danger. It's important to be specific about what you're talking about.

I think that the way to save the endangered part of the news is the same way we need to save everything - more collaboration tools for individuals to form into groups. I think we see this forming with things like Substack, Patreon and Locals, etc., and what we need is to make this more decentralized, and not routed through a few gatekeepers all additionally gated by banks and credit card companies. 500 people should be able to start a newsroom of 10 people with their spare pennies, and get what they believe and what they think is important to the widest audience possible. The Substacks, Patreons, etc. have shown that it is not hard to get that many people together to pay a few bucks for something they believe in, or simply like.

If there's a tl;dr: you shouldn't be paying to read journalism; if anything, people should pay you to read their journalism. I wish I could take money from 80% of the garbage I wasted my time reading. We need microdebits, not micropayments.

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gell-Mann Amnesia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

Curious that the Wikipedia article seemingly editorializes the quote. The article displays: > In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about economics than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know. But in fact Crichton…

Quotes aren't supposed to be altered like that; I've just fixed it: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1317337583

Changing "Palestine" to "economics" was done by an anonymous editor five days ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gell-Mann_amnesia...

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#79
Validating a public person's birthday using Wikipedia?

*laughs in Taylor Lorenz*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taylor_Lorenz/Archive_1#R...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taylor_Lorenz/Archive_2#S...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taylor_Lorenz/Archive_3#B...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Taylor_Lorenz#Age

Also, in case you're wondering when it is, here's Taylor Lorenz's own Flickr page, which she can delete any time she wants, but hasn't: https://www.flickr.com/photos/taylorlorenz/6265483352/

Re: You did no fact checking, and I must scream

#80

The BBC pulled that article/episode - which is the main difference between different media spheres today. We are habituated to think of information as the fundament of the internet. When in reality the foundation is simply content. High quality information is content which is verified, or has a chain of sources. This is expensive to produce. The information consumer primarily consumes emotionally salient content. May…

> The BBC pulled that article/episode Pulling after publishing isn't much better. The damage has already been done. The story has already been absorbed by viewers. The viewers are already spreading the thing they saw to each other. The information narrative has already been influenced. It is blatant dereliction of responsibility to publish something in the first place without checking and relying on later outcry to g…

How do we think this compares to scientific journals not issuing retractions to articles? Only the absolute most bald-faced misconduct will get a retraction issued...

For scientific publishing, the damage continues and a retraction is a much more helpful response.

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