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Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

amarant wrote: post #54
Judgmentality wrote: post #32

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> but we're probably on a trajectory to be able to do it in 1-3 years This is wildly optimistic. I quit working in robotics because I got tired of all the bullshit promises everybody made all the time. I'm not saying robotics isn't advancing or the work is unimportant, but the spokespeople are about as reliable as Musk when it comes to timelines. I doubt it will happen in 10 years, even with a constrained environment…

I think GP was basically talking about doing it on a doll. As in, a robot in 1-3 years might be able to change diapers with occasional success, but half the tries will result in a dismembered diaper user: we'd use dolls in this scenario, since dismembering babies is taboo and generally frowned upon within the robotics community.

It will have to be a robot doll. Changing my baby's diaper was a piece of cake until he learned how to escape midway through the process. Babies can be surprisingly hard to restrain!

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by numpad0 »

vessenes wrote: post #61
numpad0 wrote: post #58

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I don't see why that would be so hard. This is potentially easier than reliably shooting guns at people. That machine will look like a bean bag couch in rough shape of a giant human hand, with few of cooperative work robotic arms. The couch part hugs and secures all limbs of the baby to into the party escort submission position, then the cobots move in to find the disassembly markers on the diaper to tear it open to…

How many diapers have you changed, out of curiosity? I've changed maybe 5,000 diapers (4 kids non-primary caregiver), and I feel confident that a shower head + hair dryer is not going to be safe or in fact work at all in many circumstances.

Never actually... I think the key for the machine is to secure the baby in such ways that the pelvis stays at the same position in space, without breaking bones or tearing muscles. That's normally not possible because a human hand isn't big enough and grippy enough to hold them that way, and that allows the baby to slip out or wiggle around. But if you could, and if the I-shaped types of diapers are tolerated, then the problem reduces into the matter of washing the bottom floating in space and wrapping them with the diapers. Legs can probably be kept out of the way by some cushions.

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by exasperaited »

iainmerrick wrote: post #49
robobenjie wrote: post #2

Hey Hacker News. Curious if folks feel like I'm missing categories of challenge.

Making a bed. You need to manipulate a large sheet, and you probably need to move around, bend down and lean over to reach all the corners. Bonus points for neat hospital corners on a flat sheet. Putting pillows in pillowcases is another fun one. Usually pretty easy, probably a bronze medal. Gold medal: put a UK super king size duvet inside a duvet cover. It's huge and awkward, there are buttons, and it's almost but…

Yes why!? There seriously needs to be an industry standard for marking up the long side of a king size duvet.

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by numpad0 »

benjiro wrote: post #56
numpad0 wrote: post #48

Can I say something: could you all please stop inserting contaminated tool back into a jar of food? You use a clean tool to take out the amount you eat, and that's it. You can put it back if the tool had touched nothing but: air, the food in the jar, and your hand at the operating end. Otherwise, that butter knife stays on your dish for the rest of the meal. The exception would be if you cleaned the tool, like bare m…

> but just, how can you stand possible breadcrumbs IN THE JAR!? Bacteria can do a number on people... Kept telling the wife to not cross contaminate jars, and other products. But you know, she knows better... Wife was eating some fish in can, puts spoon back (with lovely saliva bacteria), puts in fridge "i wil eat tomorrow", 2 days later she eats the leftover. She enjoyed a hour+ of "fun" muscles contracting stomach…

My faith in humanity was lost and now I need an emergency memetic eyewash.

Even I as a human dishwasher have no issues doing extra freshly used spoons. but that refrigerated two days old spoon... that is going to have dried stuffs stuck on the surface, and it's going to need to be soaked before washing. And also mildly bio-hazardous? That's horrible. Just why...

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by dmoy »

numpad0 wrote: post #72
vessenes wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many diapers have you changed, out of curiosity? I've changed maybe 5,000 diapers (4 kids non-primary caregiver), and I feel confident that a shower head + hair dryer is not going to be safe or in fact work at all in many circumstances.

Never actually... I think the key for the machine is to secure the baby in such ways that the pelvis stays at the same position in space, without breaking bones or tearing muscles. That's normally not possible because a human hand isn't big enough and grippy enough to hold them that way, and that allows the baby to slip out or wiggle around. But if you could, and if the I-shaped types of diapers are tolerated, then t…

> washing the bottom

What about washing all the other places where baby's poop can get? (Legs, feet, hands, arms with some difficulty, all the way up the back, etc)

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by [deleted] »

shubb wrote: post #53
robotresearcher wrote: post #25

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> It would require an entirely different kind of robotics. I was 100% with you until suddenly this technical claim pops out. You might feel this way, and might be right, but why ? Changing a diaper is crazy hard, I absolutely agree, but you seem to be just declaring from vibes that we 'require an entirely different kind of robotics'. Can you put your finger on why this is true? Not nitpicking for the fun of it - I'm…

I think it needs a water gun. If the diaper was a spray on layered rubber, like a sponge then an impermeable layer, and then you sprayed a solvent to clear the old diaper and poop and then spray on a new one. You'd just need to slot them into styrups briefly or some socks on strings to move the legs into a good position. But can this be done with baby skin and lung safe chemicals at a reasonable temperature? Point be…

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Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by CamperBob2 »

bee_rider wrote: post #9

Rather than teaching your robot to fold inside-out clothes, you should teach it to attack people who put their clothes in the hamper inside out.

Why? Clothes last longer if the outer surface sees less mechanical friction in the washer. They get just as clean.

Re: Benjie's Humanoid Olympic Games

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

robobenjie wrote: post #2

Hey Hacker News. Curious if folks feel like I'm missing categories of challenge.

Thanks for putting this together. This IMO is 1000x better than any other AI challenges to date. ARC-AGI is bullshit and has nothing to do with reality.

I’ll likely use some of your tests for our robotics (not just humanoid) testing in the future at least as some baselines.

Also I really liked you dressing up as a robot - that’s very fun and really reflects the point of robotics: replace human action for all tasks.

My suggestion: Identify a collapsed person in the home and render first aid (I need this because I have epilepsy and live alone)

Bronze: ID collapse and call emergency services

Silver: Bronze tasks + manipulate person into appropriate recovery position

Gold: Communicate details to emergency personnel and playback previous hours of interactions

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