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European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by matt-p »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #65
matt-p wrote: post #60

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It's ok for you all to believe european === EU, but that is a EU only view (and factually incorrect). Also OK for you to buy stuff only from within the EU, I can understand why you'd want to do that, but obviously people outside the EU will be surprised to see you defining europe as the EU.

I doubt they will be surprised. Bear in mind that many people in Europe who live outside the EU want to be part of the EU. Polls show that quite consistently for the UK, too. (Though, to be fair, you could easily ask the poll question in a way that would give the opposite majority.)

Speaking as one, they usually are. I mean polling is mostly BS, all the polling said the that UK was staying in the EU even as the voting opened - look how that turned out. Actually the polls were about the same (~65%) as the polls in say france today which say 68% in favour of EU membership - so could I say france wants to leave the EU? All total rubbish.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by nik736 »

kassner wrote: post #35
nik736 wrote: post #10

There is also https://www.hetzner.com/ (IaaS), https://www.leaseweb.com/en/ (IaaS) and https://www.nodion.com/en/ (PaaS). Disclaimer: I am the founder of Nodion.

Haven’t heard of Nodion before. What is your main selling point? What does it do different from just reselling Leaseweb?

Thanks for asking! The infrastructure is actually the less interesting part for us, since our platform is written to be completely portable. The USP is the platform itself, that means the managed aspect. You can run your workload on our platform without having to worry too much about servers or infrastructure. Deployment can be done either through Git Integrations or our 1 click deployment option for popular open source services. You can scale your application up and down in seconds and additionally we try to offer every important component as an all in one solution inhouse. Think managed dbs, transactional emails, etc., those are all products we offer today.

We actually started out in 2019 by colocating our own network/server equipment in a colo facility in Frankfurt (InterXion). We are bootstrapped and since our USP is the software, not the infrastructure, we decided to partner with a reliable infrastructure company that is available globally, flexible enough and for data privacy reasons is an EU based company (there are not many!) so we could roll out our platform faster. Since we still own our own IP space and are a RIPE member, we can migrate to our own infrastructure down the road.

In this business the focus shouldn't be to own the whole "supply chain", but to deliver a reliable solution to customers. Everyone is a reseller of someone.

Nodion -> Leaseweb. Leaseweb -> Iron Mountain. Iron Mountain -> electricity companies, dark fiber, etc.

Heroku/Vercel -> AWS. AWS also uses colo facilities like Equinix, InterXion, NTT or e-shelter in Frankfurt.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by [deleted] »

karmakaze wrote: post #70
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #67

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Yes, they are infrastructure but not Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS). IaaS is typically referring to the sort of services you don't really care about the underlying hardware at all, nor the OS. So while you can build your own IaaS by using dokku, Kubernetes or whatever on top of dedicated servers, dedicated servers (or VPS) by themselves aren't part of IaaS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrastructure_as_a_service > Infrastructure as a service (IaaS) is a cloud computing service model where a cloud services vendor provides computing resources such as storage, network, servers, and virtualization (which emulates computer hardware). This service frees users from maintaining their own data center, but they must install and maintain the operating system and application soft…

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Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by ffsm8 »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #67
arielcostas wrote: post #62

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How would you classify VPS and dedicated servers though? Aren't those considered infra?

Yes, they are infrastructure but not Infrastructure-as-a-Service (IaaS). IaaS is typically referring to the sort of services you don't really care about the underlying hardware at all, nor the OS. So while you can build your own IaaS by using dokku, Kubernetes or whatever on top of dedicated servers, dedicated servers (or VPS) by themselves aren't part of IaaS.

https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/

That's literally openstack, which is basically the definition of IaaS

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by Maken »

matt-p wrote: post #47

I get so (unreasonably?) annoyed with people saying "European" and meaning "EU"; they're not the same thing. Stop it! You're missing all the providers based in the UK who frankly provide at least as many good options as the whole of the EU combined.

Hosting your data in the UK may not make much of a difference: https://www.justice.gov/criminal/criminal-oia/cloud-act-agre...

Here European clearly means "outside of the legal reach of the USA".

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by kassner »

nik736 wrote: post #73
kassner wrote: post #35

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Haven’t heard of Nodion before. What is your main selling point? What does it do different from just reselling Leaseweb?

Thanks for asking! The infrastructure is actually the less interesting part for us, since our platform is written to be completely portable. The USP is the platform itself, that means the managed aspect. You can run your workload on our platform without having to worry too much about servers or infrastructure. Deployment can be done either through Git Integrations or our 1 click deployment option for popular open sou…

Thank you, I'll give it a try!

I quite like the low-end offering, €5 can get you a managed ValKey, a managed Postgres and a 512MB RAM Linux VM. In most other PaaS offerings you start at $10 just for a managed database.

If you don't mind answering, how do you handle those low-memory databases? For i.e. DS-G2-256MB, you get a 256MB VM with a dedicated Postgres installation, or you get an user/db in a shared Postgres server?

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by dangus »

dherls wrote: post #15
dangus wrote: post #9

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Not really a joke at all, the point is to find a cloud provider that can place resources in a guaranteed location that stays within the legal boundaries of a country. This is for when you need to guarantee that your services cannot possibly escape boundaries of a specific country.

I think the "joke" is if the US government orders a company to hand over that data, the fact that the servers are physically in the EU won't stop anything

That’s not the goal, it’s about regulatory compliance.

Re: European.cloud: A Curated Directory of EU-Based Cloud Providers

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Post by dangus »

graemep wrote: post #20
dangus wrote: post #6

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Hetzner doesn’t really have abstracted cloud services, they’re basically just bare metal servers or VPS.

Cloud services like AWS offer VPSes (Lightsail) so the boundary is very blurry. In any case Hertzner offers load balances, firewalls, private networks, which is fairly cloudy stuff.

They’re building out more cloud capability but not anywhere near the level that AWS and the rest have.

AWS has way more managed business logic. Directory services, authentication, serverless PaaS, virtual workstations, data lakes, code deployment, the list goes on and on.

Load balancers and firewalls are extremely basic in comparison.

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