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Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by lurker14 »

frio wrote: post #50

I wanted to blog about something similar myself, but currently lack a blog. Apple's rejection of physical media is, I would argue, extremely harmful. I have an old, 2008 Macbook (not Pro) 4,1. The old white plastic kind. Lion performs atrociously (at best) on it, so around half a year ago I installed Linux on it. Recently, I got around to buying a new laptop (a Lenovo), and wanted to restore OSX on the old Macbook in…

Eh, you bought a working Leopard system, you messed with it (removed the OS and installed an unsupported alternative), you broke the original media sometime over the next 4 years, and you didn't make a backup, and chose not to use any other backup copy, of which there are many millions floating around the world. It's not all Apple's fault here.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by dchichkov »

brianpan wrote: post #65
dchichkov wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>>> Why Rob Pike wouldn't fork over $80 for Aperture and save himself the hassle is beyond me. You can say "it's the principle of the thing; I've already paid for it!" but really? What is your time worth? Well, the trouble with that approach is that money votes. When you pay this extra $80 you reinforce the behavior.

And you wouldn't want to reinforce the behavior of providing a time-saving service for money?

I don't want cloud service providers forcing me to buy an application a SECOND time, by limiting my access to installer.

And I'd really prefer not to pay second time. Because that reinforces the behavior of profiting by screwing people up. Maybe it saves my time. But it is unethical.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by prodigal_erik »

Djonckheere wrote: post #43

This post is riveting. No really. Bewildering to say the least. As the post drags on and on the reoccurring "Thank you Apple" takes on an increasingly sarcastic tone. Regardless of the author's fluency with computers (who really cares?) one can only marvel at the sheer absurdity in squandering the better part of a day (or was that several days?) mucking around with OS updates. Really? What a colossal waste of time.

He is not merely "fluent with computers." He co-created three operating systems and at least one programming language, including the OS Apple managed to hinder him from installing. If your process is beyond him, your process is very, very broken.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by timcederman »

steve8918 wrote: post #69

Can someone advise me on the point in the article about how Time Machine is insufficient to backup one's entire computer? My wife's Macbook Air uses Time Machine to backup, and I haven't done any other sort of backup with it. If her hard drive crashes, will she lose information, or is Time Machine reliable enough to restore her entire laptop? I just assumed it was good enough. If this isn't true, and if she loses any…

I've done several full system restores from Time Machine.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by prodigal_erik »

cletus wrote: post #30

IMHO not having install media as the default option is a problem. It doesn't matter if all the media does is boot up a network stack and FTP it from somewhere and then run it but recovery scenarios aren't something you should have to twist yourself into a loop to solve. One of the advantages of the App Store model is that software is (AFAIK) easily redownloaded and reinstalled, so much so that I know people who have…

> What is your time worth?

Less than my self-respect? The iterated prisoner's dilemma cautions us against letting someone profit by screwing us over. And the very idea of Rob friggin' Pike embracing learned helplessness is very depressing. Of course, so is the idea of him not having the source to his system, when he wrote quite a bit of it.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by dubcanada »

aprescott wrote: post #38
languagehacker wrote: post #12

Sounds like he had a bad day. Oh well. Probably as much of an unproductive waste of time to write this long, passive-aggressive blog post.

Sounds like he had a bad day. Did you read the whole thing? It took weeks to get everything working again properly. Because I could prove that I had paid for the software, Apple agreed to send me fresh installation disks for everything of theirs but Aperture, but that would take time. In fact, it took almost a month for the iWork DVD to arrive, which is unacceptably long. I even needed to call twice to remind them be…

That's why app stores exist... you think Microsoft would have been faster if they sent you MS Office?

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by dubcanada »

akshaym wrote: post #5

I think it's interesting to point out that this is Rob Pike. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Pike

I find it funny that he works for Google but doesn't know how to use it... half of those items he complained about could have been solved by a quick Google.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by steve8918 »

timcederman wrote: post #74
steve8918 wrote: post #69

Can someone advise me on the point in the article about how Time Machine is insufficient to backup one's entire computer? My wife's Macbook Air uses Time Machine to backup, and I haven't done any other sort of backup with it. If her hard drive crashes, will she lose information, or is Time Machine reliable enough to restore her entire laptop? I just assumed it was good enough. If this isn't true, and if she loses any…

I've done several full system restores from Time Machine.

Thanks guys, I'm relieved to hear both of you have done it!

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by ricardobeat »

dchichkov wrote: post #72
brianpan wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you wouldn't want to reinforce the behavior of providing a time-saving service for money?

I don't want cloud service providers forcing me to buy an application a SECOND time, by limiting my access to installer. And I'd really prefer not to pay second time. Because that reinforces the behavior of profiting by screwing people up. Maybe it saves my time. But it is unethical.

They didn't limit access to the installer, he was trying to bring it back from a Time Machine backup. If he had the original disc it would work fine.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by js2 »

I think there's one thing he didn't try that would've saved him some work. The path he took was (skipping some early steps):

1. Backup under Snow Leopard via Time Machine

2. Replace drive

3. Install fresh copy of Snow Leopard

4. Upgrade to Lion

5. Attempt to use Migration Assistant to restore from the Time Machine backup taken in step (1).

This failed at step (5) and he ended up having to do lots of manual work to copy his data and apps out of the TM backup.

I think if he restored from the the Time Machine backup after replacing the drive, then attempted the Lion upgrade, he'd have been successful. Minimally, it would've been a combination of well tested scenarios. I'll bet not as much testing went into using Migration Assistant under Lion against Snow Leopard TM backups.

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