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Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Please stop repeating this intentionally ridiculous misinterpretation all over this thread.

Please read it. I'm 100% right. As used in Section 33700, “firearm barrel” means the tube, usually metal and cylindrical, through which a projectile or shot charge is fired. A firearm barrel includes any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be used as a firearm barrel, or that is m…

Your farcical take is predicated on an interpretation of the above paragraph in which the bill claims anything from which a projectile may be expelled is a firearm barrel.

That is clearly not what the bill says, nor can it even be tortuously misconstrued as such.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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post #16

I'm not intimately familiar with Californian zoning, but I have to say, all this talk of the 'seventh Regional Housing Needs Assessment cycle' reminded me of the Five Year Plans used in socialist countries. I wish the people of California the best of luck exceeding dwelling quotas in the upcoming seventh cycle! :P Edit: I forgot how sensitive people can be to the word 'socialism'. I am not trying imply - with all the…

Just to give a little insight on this legislation, it has been described, rightfully so, as a boon to for-profit real estate developers so it's one of the least socialist things California has done in recent memory. It's stripping away local control and more or less forcing municipalities, in the limited geographies where this legislation applies, to allow housing to be built with far fewer government regulations. Frankly I'm shocked it passed, but just goes to show how bad the housing crisis has gotten.

That of course doesn't rebut your comment about RHNA reminding you of socialism, but bringing up socialism when this thread is about legislation that's about as capitalist as you're going to get in California is a bit ironic.

Edit: I'm not criticizing you by pointing out the irony, but since you said you're not that familiar with California I thought I'd mention how capitalist this legislation is.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please read it. I'm 100% right. As used in Section 33700, “firearm barrel” means the tube, usually metal and cylindrical, through which a projectile or shot charge is fired. A firearm barrel includes any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be used as a firearm barrel, or that is m…

Your farcical take is predicated on an interpretation of the above paragraph in which the bill claims anything from which a projectile may be expelled is a firearm barrel. That is clearly not what the bill says, nor can it even be tortuously misconstrued as such.

   A firearm barrel includes any forging, casting, printing, extrusion, machined body, or similar article that has reached a stage in manufacture where it may readily be completed, assembled, or converted to be used as a firearm barrel

  “firearm barrel” means the tube, usually metal and cylindrical, through which a projectile or shot charge is fired
It's not farcical. A PVC pipe is an extrusion that is "readily converted" into a tube that fires a projectile. It's clear as day. Have you never seen someone fire a "potato" gun and use PVC as a barrel?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tS2jKYbzsnA

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Honestly hope Senator Scott Wiener runs for governor

He's such a huge technocrat, it would be a big departure from most governors. A huge policy nerd with tons of good ideas and a powerful staff devoted to trying out new things is almost better than we deserve in California. (I will say that Wiener has had some missteps, on AI and restaurant fees, but they are pretty small compared to the good policy that he's gotten through.)

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Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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post #69

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There's a sort of "you are why the world is the way it is" irony in your comment. Development costs spiral once you cross the 1ac threshold because them you have to do stormwater permitting (which is federal in some cases) and that adds a ton of cost and wastes developable land. And then the scrutiny this brings can cause you problems on other axis. This is why newly built houses in the middle of nowhere on a bunch o…

I’m not sure how you intended your post to be to interpreted. To me, the relevant point is that infrastructure is an expensive fixed cost and we should increase density where we’ve already made that investment.

My point is that reality is the exact opposite of what person I am replying to is asserting.

Some commercial warehouse building or dozen houses on 1/8ac each are punitively taxed (by enforcing additional expensive requirements) whereas dense residential development is not.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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I agree with the sentiment, but sadly even in its watered down form, SB79 was the result of a brutal legislative battle over the course of years, and even then it barely passed. Getting Prop 13 overturned is about as likely as California seceding from the US. Actually, it might even be less likely than that.

I think getting Prop 13 repealed along the lines of Prop 15 (basically for investment property) may actually happen. I think the pro group is much more organized today than they were in 2020 and so it will stand a much better chance of succeeding. That said, I fully agree with you that Prop 13 repeal for homeowners will "never" happen. The backlash would obviously be massive. But if they could keep it for homeowners…

Prop 13 is getting repealed practically speaking through time, as the main beneficiaries of the low taxes die; and the taxes they dynastically transfer to their kids get capped; and as those kids choose to sell those homes and move to New York.

There is no one simple solution to e.g. poor performance of US public schools. Repealing Prop 13 isn’t going to close the achievement gap, it’s not even going to slow the fall of performance since 1993, let alone the pandemic.

So not only is Prop 13 sort of being phased out naturally, the repeal would simply put a bunch of renters against rising costs from landlords in the places that actually matter like LA and SF, and you know, as much as I hate Prop 13 in principle, everything has settled on a delicate homeostasis where the people who want to get it repealed fully - which will never happen - will get way more than they bargained for.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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post #28

Great for much needed housing, but this will poison the well for public transit and cause NIMBYs to triple down on opposition to public transit expansion…

Yeah, I fear this. This will also make pedestrian bridges that connect housing to transit some that NIMBYs dislike even more. For example.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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Even as measured by pollutants per breath inhaled?

That would be a health metric, not an environmental one. While brake dust is a major contributor to this, a suburb next to a freeway is going to be pretty damn bad too.

> While brake dust is a major contributor to this, a suburb next to a freeway is going to be pretty damn bad too.

Relative to the rest of the area, for that specific pollutant, yes. Relative to a city dwelling of the same distance, no. Volume (ie Traffic) matters when comparing health impacts.

Re: Everything you need to know about California’s SB 79

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post #16

I'm not intimately familiar with Californian zoning, but I have to say, all this talk of the 'seventh Regional Housing Needs Assessment cycle' reminded me of the Five Year Plans used in socialist countries. I wish the people of California the best of luck exceeding dwelling quotas in the upcoming seventh cycle! :P Edit: I forgot how sensitive people can be to the word 'socialism'. I am not trying imply - with all the…

Just to give a little insight on this legislation, it has been described, rightfully so, as a boon to for-profit real estate developers so it's one of the least socialist things California has done in recent memory. It's stripping away local control and more or less forcing municipalities, in the limited geographies where this legislation applies, to allow housing to be built with far fewer government regulations. Fr…

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