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ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by Alupis »

sbrother wrote: post #68
Alupis wrote: post #38

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Been rocking Kinoite for 2 years now - several major Fedora release upgrades, and zero breakage. I do weird stuff in my "pet" containers (using distrobox), and I love how my base system remains indestructible no matter how much I goof around. Immutable is indeed the future. The moment a user installs something on a traditional mutable OS, it's configuration/environment drifts from the "base", making any system update…

That sounds great. How well does the base OS + "pet" containers work with all the crazy dependencies you need to do modern ML work, e.g. some exact combination of nvidia drivers + CUDA + torch + other random stuff? That's the pain point I'd be motivated enough to solve that I'd switch distros.

Your "pet" containers basically become your traditional OS, in a way. They use filesystem overlays, so your container can see all of the files on your system, plus it's own layered files, ie. each container has it's own "view" of the filesystem.

You can install anything inside your "pet" containers that you would normally install on your actual system. The container keeps everything tidy and self-contained. I have a container for development, another for music/DAW, another for certain games that needed weird deps.

Fedora Kinoite/Silverblue come with `Toolbx`[1] preinstalled, but I found `distrobox`[2] to be more flexible for my needs. I layered distrobox onto my base image, and it just works.

Many GUI apps are available via Flatpaks, and can be installed directly or via the Software Center. You can enable Flathub[3] as a source, so there's a ton of available software, including Steam, Chrome, Firefox, Discord, Spotify and more. Flatpaks are also sandboxed and self-contained, so they can't pollute/break your system either.

[1] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/toolb...

[2] https://distrobox.it/

[3] https://flathub.org/en

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by Alupis »

baobun wrote: post #58
stavros wrote: post #36

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Thanks! I do love KDE, it's my daily driver. Exit: OK immutable looks really interesting, thank you.

Immutable is promising and Kinoite great but just heads up that since it's Fedora based you still have their major-release-upgrade cycle to follow. There are rolling immutable/atomic distros but Kinoute is not one.

FWIW, Kinoite will auto-update itself (the base image gets an update nearly every day).

While Fedora technically isn't a rolling release distro, it is very "bleeding edge" and it's major release cycle is quite frequent. With the Atomic (Immutable) flavors, major releases are an easy upgrade - just click the "Upgrade" button then reboot without fear of anything breaking.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by pndy »

chakintosh wrote: post #3

This seems like a great OS to install on a child's computer

Years ago I installed it on my sister's computer as Windows replacement. She was initially happy but soon started to complain that it was hard for her to use, apps would freeze and graphic artifacts would remain on the screen in similar way as on XP once. In the end we went with Xubuntu because we thought that reinstalling as "upgrade" is not worth it.

It's a stop-gap for those who were using OSX and not a permanent solution, or something for people who want to try Linux but want a really easy way. But then, there are better managed and newbie friendly distributions already.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by pndy »

stavros wrote: post #5

What's a popular rolling release distro that's fairly stable, but also modern, for my dad's computer? He just wants a good balance of "things won't break" and "things will get updated". Ubuntu is ok, but maybe pop!OS or something else is better for him?

If he comes with such requirements then I'd stick with LTS releases as system base and flatpak programs to keep stuff updated frequently. And if he wants a familiar to Windows environment then Zorin would do the trick out of the box.

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by pndy »

outcoldman wrote: post #62
valunord wrote: post #57

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Can anybody explain what is behind this statement? Tried to google, could not find much.

I remember people on mastodon saying that project leader went too much political by focusing on gender and identity while actual system development was pushed away. But since my journey with elementary was over years ago I didn't care that much. Maybe check other search engines and go with "elementaryos controversial" or similar words

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by 553468907542358 »

carl_dr wrote: post #29
noosphr wrote: post #18

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OP probably had to update Windows today. It's a weird world where KDE out of the box is more usable than Windows. I gave the wrong laptop to my mother a few months back and she only told me when she finished banking that the windows menu looked funny (Like the hacker one you put on the family computer when you were 12.) it was KDE. Usually she asks for help at least once on windows for getting the wifi connected. The…

/r/thathappened She had an account on the wrong laptop?

Go back to reddit

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by 553468907542358 »

actionfromafar wrote: post #67
outcoldman wrote: post #62

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Can anybody explain what is behind this statement? Tried to google, could not find much.

Queer people are terrorists now, don’t you read your GOP newsletter? /s

Can't even murder political opponents without being called a terrorist. Damn the right!

Re: ElementaryOS – Thoughtful, capable and ethical replacement for Windows/macOS

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Post by raffael_de »

Isn't it a bit misleading to compare this to Windows or macOS, when it is actually Ubuntu with a preinstalled window manager, like Gnome or KDE, and it just looks a little like macOS out of the box? From the web-site I couldn't tell why I would consider it over established options like Linux Mint. To qualify as a replacement I would expect it to run native binaries. LibreOffice for example is a replacement for Office as it can handle xlsx and docx etc.
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