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EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

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Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

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post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So maybe we should tackle the root cause somehow instead?

That is what they are doing here. Its less work for the few people who wanna call it veggie burger to change than for everyone else to change.

> [x] will be written with huge letters and then [y] is metioned somewhere in a corner

I don’t understand how banning a specific term will address this general case.

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a long history of legal use of words about what foods are. Like what you are allowed to call 'butter' or 'beer'. There's also the regional names like parmesan and champagne. This looks like its following that established norm.

Like Parmesan and Champagne, would you advocate that a beef patty is not a “hamburger” unless it was pressed in the “Hamburg” region of Germany?

Yeah but like Hamburger is not from Hamburg though... Maybe you could say Hamburg steak or something but Hamburgers as we know them almost certainly originated in the US.

I don't think accurate food labeling is a bad thing but the contension shouldn't really be around burger to me that's just a pressed shape of cruft but the veggie part. Because Veggie I feel like implies vegatable but like soy-protein or bean mush or impossible burger all could be classified as a veggie burger but like they are very different things and have very different additives. I don't think we are crushing people or industry by trying to accurately label foods though.

I do think that the protectinism to regional foods confusing though. It would be interesting if you could make "feta" elsewhere than in greece for example, but maybe like the originating countries could get a special sigil rather than an exclusively protected food name when its basically indistingusiable to all but a connoisseur.

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Consumers are more likely to give vegetarian products a chance when they are 'drop in' replacements. A 'vegetarian burger' instead of a 'burger' would sell better than a 'plant based patty'.

But plants also come from farms...

Cattle is more profitable.

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

#74
Personally, as someone who is primarily vegetarian, I agree with this prohibition.

I've found it very annoying for years when a veggie food shop calls it's products "veggie chicken nuggets" and the like.

Not only is it annoying that they use meat product names to market veggie products, but more importantly it also obscures the actual ingredients of the product.

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

#75
I am always reminded of the Yes minister "The Emulsified High-Fat Offal Tube" joke which is close to 40 years old now (https://youtu.be/sPwQ0PmK9lw?si=aOvPYUpJcsw8g_kN&t=68). The EU has a very long history of standardize food names, with the natural result that some stuff get forced to change their name.

One of my favorite of such thing is that there seem to be a rule dictating that if you have something called strawberry juice, it has to have strawberries in them. Once I got to the store and the name on one kind of bottle was "Strawberry inspired taste", which made me laugh quite badly.

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

#76

> The EU has already defined dairy items milk, butter, cream, yoghurt and cheese as "products secreted by mammary glands" I think they should just label things more explicitly like this - accelerate veganism 100x when people in the supermarkets have to choose between “pressed soybeans” and “mammary gland secretions”.

So are they going to change the name of peanut butter? Coconut milk? Neither are secretions of mammary glands

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

#77

This move will expand the public's belief that regulation means "a ridiculous incursion of rights," leading to greater belief that society is better off without regulation.

In the US, a meaningful fraction of the "Regulation bad" people are also in the "Ban fake meat" camp soo....

They might just not have consistent political opinions?

Clearly though, these should be sold as "Sparkling vegetable patty"

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

#78

This move will expand the public's belief that regulation means "a ridiculous incursion of rights," leading to greater belief that society is better off without regulation.

There is a long history of legal use of words about what foods are. Like what you are allowed to call 'butter' or 'beer'. There's also the regional names like parmesan and champagne. This looks like its following that established norm.

The butter is my favorite exemple: peanut butter, cacao butter, Vitellaria butter…

"What food are" actually refer to what people use that word for and not necessarily what is the strict scientific definition. I’m sure most knows what’s a "plant burger", although I concede the current law is confusing as you can call an egg or diary many based patty as such.

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

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I love strict product labeling rules and laws. Thanks to those kinds of regulations, people like my mom can buy stuff knowing that it won't hurt them unexpectedly. I'm frustrated with the status quo of being able to say "100% real chicken" in your 50% by weight chicken nuggets. It pisses me off that saying "gluten free" on products that should never contain gluten improves sales, and I find that a poor excuse to allow that. I'm tired of all the puffery that claims in big bold letters "Best product" and then in a tiny print somewhere else "compared to a fake product we only ran in a small community to invent this accolade"

Unfortunately, this "article" provides zero actual information. No actual text of what was voted on. No context for when or where "veggie burger" is supposedly banned.

So great, can't find out if there might be nuance to this issue, can't find out any arguments, can't even find the actual words which were voted on. Oh, actually looks like this was a vote for an amendment? No actual law has been voted on yet.

That has not stopped anyone here from makings broad and sweeping generalizations, as usual.

Re: EU lawmakers push to ban term 'veggie-burger'

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post #55

As an inveterate “get off of my lawn” crabby person, I can get behind this. I tilt against the windmills of the “vegetarian omelette”.

I saw "vegetarian rice" made out of Basmati rice last month - a clear marketing ploy to grab particular customers but my brain got mental fart and I wondered for a few seconds amused "as opposed to what - meat based rice?"

Heresy!
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