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Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by xhevahir »

towolf wrote: post #6
haunter wrote: post #3

You can't mention Krasznahorkai without Béla Tarr. Tarr's main filmography is basically Krasznahorkai's main bibliography: Damnation (1988), Sátántangó (1994), Werckmeister Harmonies (2000), The Man from London (2007), The Turin Horse (2011). I honestly say the films from Tarr are arguably the best book-to-film adaptations ever, especially Sátántangó, he is the master of literary filmmaking where the spirit of text c…

> I honestly say the films from Tarr are arguably the best book-to-film adaptations ever, especially Sátántangó, he is the master of literary filmmaking where the spirit of text comes across the screen perfectly. If that is so, then these are books that you read to experience ultimate ennui? I know the films, I've watched them all, but doing e.g. Satantango in book form sounds not so enticing?

"Doing Satantango in book form?" The book is the original.

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by xhevahir »

haunter wrote: post #3

You can't mention Krasznahorkai without Béla Tarr. Tarr's main filmography is basically Krasznahorkai's main bibliography: Damnation (1988), Sátántangó (1994), Werckmeister Harmonies (2000), The Man from London (2007), The Turin Horse (2011). I honestly say the films from Tarr are arguably the best book-to-film adaptations ever, especially Sátántangó, he is the master of literary filmmaking where the spirit of text c…

I've loved those novels of his that I've read, particularly War & War, and haven't watched a single one of those films. Krasznahorkai's work stands on its own perfectly fine.

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by simonh »

zeroonetwothree wrote: post #49
stevenwoo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a sensible and reasonable proposition, which is ironic considering the USA is run based on interpretations of intentions of slave owners or those copacetic with slavery who have been dead for almost twice as long.

France has had something like 16 constitutions since 1791. I think I’ll take the US model.

Which is basically a cut-and-paste of the British constitutional model of the 1780s, but with an elected King George III and upper house. Presidents are just elected kings. The modern parliamentary model is much better.

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by kruffalon »

seizethecheese wrote: post #69
derbOac wrote: post #66

Can anyone comment on the translations of Krasznahorkai's works into English? Every time I read a translation of highly regarded literature I can't help but wonder if I'm getting some inadequate rendition that is missing something critical to why the originals are so highly regarded. This isn't meant to be a criticism of translators, just that I think their job is very difficult. Of course, I still happily read and e…

His works were in Hungarian. If we are being honest, he probably won the Nobel for his translated works as much as his originals. Or, how many Nobel committee members are fluent in Hungarian?

For me this is todays new conceptual thought!

Or something like this, just trying to express that I've never really thought about it like that. That we don't really interact with original works when we read/listen to translated works and thus we can't really say anything about the originals.

Small mind blown moment!

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by squidsoup »

haunter wrote: post #3

You can't mention Krasznahorkai without Béla Tarr. Tarr's main filmography is basically Krasznahorkai's main bibliography: Damnation (1988), Sátántangó (1994), Werckmeister Harmonies (2000), The Man from London (2007), The Turin Horse (2011). I honestly say the films from Tarr are arguably the best book-to-film adaptations ever, especially Sátántangó, he is the master of literary filmmaking where the spirit of text c…

In a similar vein, the novelist/film maker collaboration between Kobo Abe and Hiroshi Teshigahara was very fruitful, and produced some beautiful films.

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by mamonster »

greenie_beans wrote: post #58
mamonster wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure. 1)The writing is very bad (which is ironic because she got mad at Houellebecq for being a racist and said that he is translated a lot because he writes like shit so easy to translate). You take an average page of Ernaux (in French) and it's just not very... sophisticated at all, but then all the critics that like her say that this language "unmasks" the reality and is the perfect medium for "autofiction". 2)Her…

re #2, this is part of culture whether you agree with it or not. just because you don't like her politics doesn't mean she's not influential. sounds like your beef is with what was trending in the marketplace of ideas at that time and you would never be happy if any left wing writer was chosen. don't worry, a reactionary will get their time soon enough again. last night, actually, my thought was: i bet it's gonna be…

It's not an issue of her being left wing, it's an issue of her being nominated for the Nobel Prize of Literature despite being horrible at writing(as in the actual technical skill of writing).

As for reactionaries/conservatives winning, it's basically impossible for someone to win this award as a genuine "reactionary". The last genuine reactionary who won it was Solzhenitsyn, and it would never be awarded to him if they were aware of all of his views.

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by squidsoup »

moralestapia wrote: post #70
haunter wrote: post #3

You can't mention Krasznahorkai without Béla Tarr. Tarr's main filmography is basically Krasznahorkai's main bibliography: Damnation (1988), Sátántangó (1994), Werckmeister Harmonies (2000), The Man from London (2007), The Turin Horse (2011). I honestly say the films from Tarr are arguably the best book-to-film adaptations ever, especially Sátántangó, he is the master of literary filmmaking where the spirit of text c…

>Sátántangó >Running time: ~8 hours Yeah, I'll pass.

Ironically, I think Sátántangó might be one of Kraznahorkai’s shortest novels.

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by squidsoup »

derbOac wrote: post #66

Can anyone comment on the translations of Krasznahorkai's works into English? Every time I read a translation of highly regarded literature I can't help but wonder if I'm getting some inadequate rendition that is missing something critical to why the originals are so highly regarded. This isn't meant to be a criticism of translators, just that I think their job is very difficult. Of course, I still happily read and e…

The Hungarian poet George Szirtes, with no prior translation experience, translated his first two novels, over a period of many years. I can’t speak Hungarian, but both the Melancholy of Resistance and Satantango remain my favourite novels of his, and I think I can partially attribute that to Szirtes‘s translations.

Re: Nobel Prize in Literature 2025: László Krasznahorkai

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Post by wahnfrieden »

lanfeust6 wrote: post #64
wahnfrieden wrote: post #46

He's my favorite working author! (Well, maybe that's Pynchon) I recommend not only his early works like Satantango but also his recent ones like Seiobo There Below (lucky to have a signed copy of this one). The short ones are interesting too. Animalinside (with Max Neumann), The Last Wolf. Interested in checking Chasing Homer which has musical accompaniment: "Publishers Weekly described the book as a cross between a…

Should I start with Satantango?

Sure, it's a fine place to start

You might also try A Mountain to the North, a Lake to the South, Paths to the West, a River to the East as a very short one of his later works

Wow I just found out that I have quite a valuable collection of his works - the surprisingly expensive ones that I had casually picked up when they were new:

- The Last Wolf 1st edition, $300

- Satantango 1st edition, $200

- Music & Literature No. 2, unknown value (no record of secondary market resale)

- AnimalInside, $300, only 2000 copies published

Time to encase these in something...

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