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> I have yet to see evidence DHH is a far-right racist You haven't seen that because there is none. But the right left will label anybody that has even a slight disagreement as far right. Nowadays a bunch of things (not all of them, of course) labeled as far right are perfectly fine, so much so that it's the stuff that democrats from 15-20 years ago would have advocated for.

15-20 years is a long time. If you were in the 80s and had 15-20 year old beliefs you’d wanted colored bathrooms back.

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But also, more recently, there are very loud voices labeling everything left of "far right" as "extreme radical leftist". And, yeah, I'm with your second paragraph. I think much of the country thinks that illegal immigration is a problem, and also thinks that Trump's enforcement of it has been unreasonably brutal and cruel. And a bunch of them think that trans people don't belong on womens' sports teams and that kids…

Re: Illegal immigration - republicans voted against their own reforms.

But also this is insane “both sides…”ing. One side is “Trans people should be able to do xyz” and the other side… deploys troops into American cities? Takes citizens out of their homes and trashes them? Like “We want this transperson to play soccer” vs “We gotta get rid of democrats”.

Be real please.

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I’ve been eying for the bubblegum framework 12 for a bit now and almost pulled the trigger. Frameworks political stance of “hardware should be maintainable and replaceable” really resonated with me and I was excited to support them with my money. This is not it though - “Big Tent” means nothing when you’re supporting people who directly call for “Britain to be white again” and use slurs against minorities. It creates…

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Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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I’ve been eying for the bubblegum framework 12 for a bit now and almost pulled the trigger. Frameworks political stance of “hardware should be maintainable and replaceable” really resonated with me and I was excited to support them with my money. This is not it though - “Big Tent” means nothing when you’re supporting people who directly call for “Britain to be white again” and use slurs against minorities. It creates…

I want to support them. I actually bought their ai desktop with unified memory ( DOA and can't do RMA cuz they are out of stock...so returned it ). Anyway, my point is: we should be focusing on tech and whether it works for us not some moral alignment. At best, it is a distraction.

edit: And for the record, I know nothing about either party of this fake controversy AND have no intention of learning it. It does not matter since I just want to get hardware that works for my use case.

Re: Framework supporting far-right racists?

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But also, more recently, there are very loud voices labeling everything left of "far right" as "extreme radical leftist". And, yeah, I'm with your second paragraph. I think much of the country thinks that illegal immigration is a problem, and also thinks that Trump's enforcement of it has been unreasonably brutal and cruel. And a bunch of them think that trans people don't belong on womens' sports teams and that kids…

Re: Illegal immigration - republicans voted against their own reforms. But also this is insane “both sides…”ing. One side is “Trans people should be able to do xyz” and the other side… deploys troops into American cities? Takes citizens out of their homes and trashes them? Like “We want this transperson to play soccer” vs “We gotta get rid of democrats”. Be real please.

Where "do xyz" means "gain access to opposite-sex spaces without consent of those for whom these spaces are intended". This is an important issue for women and girls in particular, as female spaces are necessary for privacy, dignity and safety - and in the case of competitive sports (e.g. "play soccer"), fairness.

If we're being real, telling males they can use women's and girls' spaces is very unpopular policy.

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Bernie from 2016 was promoting the sort of immigration reform that today would get him called a Nazi.

What does Bernie have to do with this? #whataboutism

Bernie is clearly not someone who would be considered a fascist or nazi but his positions from 2016 expressed now would label him as such by the section of the population who jump straight to that nomenclature.

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What does Bernie have to do with this? #whataboutism

Bernie is clearly not someone who would be considered a fascist or nazi but his positions from 2016 expressed now would label him as such by the section of the population who jump straight to that nomenclature.

What I meant was: Why are you talking about Sanders polical views when the issue at hand is Framework's tonedeaf response to the OP's concerns.

Your comment about Sanders might be true (although I doubt that he would espouse the same views as articulated in DHH's blog post https://world.hey.com/dhh/as-i-remember-london-e7d38e64) but it does not add anything to the discussion here, which is why I mentioned whataboutism.

EDIT: and now I re-read the post you were replying to which was indeed about political orientations and how they are viewed over time. My bad.

Still, I think this particular avenue of debate is not going to yield much progress for anybody.

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I had a feeling we weren't done here, cowboy. https://x.com/ThePrimeagen/status/1976357773714809329 In addition to all 40 mentions of framework (on page 1 of your discord search), Omarchy is being featured regularly (in tandem with frameworks) as the distro of choice of our lord and savior ThePrimeagen. But, I'm just out here callin it like I see it - Did I make the wild claim of only hundreds of frameworks? I meant…

You wrote this: >> Omarchy is literally resulting in the sale of hundreds of framework devices, and (love it or hate it) causing a number of people to finally switch to Linux - myself included. Nice tweet but I have no idea who this influencer (your Lord and Savior LOL) is or what he has to do with framework sales. Despite your implications there is no mention of framework in the x thread either? Looking at his state…

You not knowing who ThePrimeagen is, or the size of his following/influence, is a 'you' problem, not a 'me' problem.

Belief perseverance together with confirmation bias (and maybe a dash of ego protection) does indeed make for a powerful combo.

Perhaps if I were to see a duck walking in the woods, instead of proclaiming that I see a duck, I should instead assert "I see something that looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, but I lack the genetic evidence this animal is indeed a duck, therefore I must assert only that I have witnessed something duck-like"

I've provided plenty of evidence for you to at least admit my claim is eminently plausible, and I tend to believe that even if I were to go out and collect the hard data you so desperately desire, you would still fall back on a "Well, you shouldn't have made such an off-hand comment so confidently unless you had the hard data"

This seems less interested in actual evidence of whether hundreds of sales (such a huge, hyperbolic number for a company estimated to sell orders of magnitude more devices) were driven by the Omarchy+Framework hype train, and more attempting to win an internet debate about whether we can make claims based on our lived observations.

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